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Johnny 0:00

The WI fi has gotten a little cloudy like the sky above, as my Lord was reaching down with all fingers from my throat.

Tim 0:19

Hello, and welcome to episode 126 of the erasable Podcast. Tonight we are having an all Fresh Points episode to catch up on some new fall releases. My name is Tim Wasem, and I am joined by a couple of fellows for whom my bill totally tolls. A couple of regular movable feasts. A couple of guys for whom I would go across the river and into the trees to meet Johnny Gamber and Andy Wilfley. How's it going, guys? Hello.

Andy 0:44

It's the old man in the sea. How are you?

Tim 0:48

It's the prematurely gray man in the sea.

Johnny 0:51

I'm just over here saying farewell to my arms.

Tim 0:53

Yes.

Andy 0:54

Oh, no. What happened?

Johnny 0:57

My children tied me up.

Tim 1:02

Very nice, Very nice.

Andy 1:03

How are you guys doing?

Tim 1:05

It's been. We're kind of back onto a regular. It's good to talk to you guys and not having been like a month and a half. How are things going?

Andy 1:12

Yeah, it's very good.

Johnny 1:14

Fantastic. We're stuck in potty training here, so.

Andy 1:18

Oh, I hope you learn how to use the potty soon, Johnny.

Johnny 1:21

We believe I'm not making very good progress. Rosie is making good progress.

Andy 1:25

Okay, okay.

Johnny 1:26

However, some of the progress involved poop on things that poop shouldn't be on today. It was a rough day.

Tim 1:33

Yep. Lila pooped her pants while in the pool while we were in Florida.

Johnny 1:39

Ah, that's.

Tim 1:40

She's like. She's like 98% potty trained.

Andy 1:42

But, you know, I. I would make some smug remark about not having kids, but my cat left a turd in the middle of the carpet the other day.

Tim 1:52

Cat's like, just a reminder.

Johnny 1:54

It was a present.

Andy 1:55

Yeah, yeah. And that dude is potty trained, so, you know, that was just for spite.

Johnny 1:59

Have you guys seen. Have you seen Frankenweenie where the cat poops out letters and then has dreams about kids deaths? It's really funny.

Andy 2:08

No,

Johnny 2:11

it just got derailed. Check it out. It's a good Tim Burton animated movie about Halloween.

Andy 2:17

I think four minutes in and Johnny already derailed.

Johnny 2:19

This related to cat poop.

Tim 2:23

I'm just trying to talk about cats, guys. I'm always the one who can't talk about cats.

Johnny 2:27

No, I'm saying something nice about cats.

Andy 2:29

You are?

Johnny 2:30

Well, kinda that cat.

Tim 2:34

Cool. Well, I'm. I'm just glad to be upright for this podcast. I've been super sick before fall break, and so I am just. I'm just glad to be here. So I want to hear what you guys been into. Let's do Tools of the Trade. Let's start with Johnny. Go for it, man.

Andy 2:53

Yay.

Johnny 2:54

So this season on pbs, two good shows are ending. Poldark and the Drills and Corfu. So we just finished Poldark Season 5. You guys watch Poldark?

Andy 3:06

No, but, I mean, I should.

Tim 3:08

It's pretty much several times, and I'm definitely going to at some point, but I just haven't yet.

Johnny 3:12

It was one of those shows where, like, I can't believe There are only 40 episodes of the show because so much happens. Like Downton Abbey, but, you know, with some more sword play and dueling and, I don't know, more horses. But, yeah, it. And, I mean, I don't want to spoil anything, but I. I thought it ended well. And we just watched the Vanishing Yesterday on Amazon prime, which is about these three Scottish lighthouse keepers in 1900 who disappeared. And this is sort of one of those, like, maybe this happened to him kind of movies, was pretty good head Gerard Butler, who I realized looks like Chris Roth or like a much older Chris Roth.

Tim 3:51

Oh, Roth. I said Chris Rock.

Johnny 3:53

No,

Andy 3:57

Chris. Chris Ross and Chris Roth and Chris Rock.

Johnny 4:03

Yeah, the screenshot and send it to Chris, like, dude, it's your dad. But, you know, it was. It was. It was good. There were some good pencil shots in it. That was cool. And I don't think I'd watched it last time we podcast it. Did I already talk about this movie that was on Amazon called the Beautiful, Fantastic, that was sort of corny, but also delightful and had a lot of pencils in it?

Tim 4:31

I don't think so.

Johnny 4:32

It was one of those movies where, like, oh, that is Tom Wilkinson, and it's an hour and a half long. I'll watch that. But it was, you know, people compared it to Amelie, and the lead character has obsessive tendencies. And some people thought they. They presented it in a human way. Some people thought they made light of a mental illness, but it was an enjoyable movie. And one of the things she does is she puts her pencil shavings in a jar, which was pretty cool.

Tim 4:59

Nice.

Johnny 5:00

Adorable. Yeah. And I read a book that is written by our co. Written by Ted Kucer, the old poet laureate. And Tim had just recommended the Wheeling Year, which I just picked up, called Writing Brave and Free. It's sort of one of those, you know, encouraging writer books, but it's not for, like, just publication. Like, they were geared toward, like, if you're just writing in your journal or you want to write letters or leave something for people after you die. Like just get stuff down for 10 minutes a day and let it build up. So it was, it was an enjoyable little book.

Tim 5:37

Nice.

Johnny 5:38

I had a like kind of corny cover, but it had a pencil on it, so. Score. And I finally joined the rest of everybody in the world and read Lincoln and the Bardo, which was so good. I want someone to make it into a movie. I imagine somebody bought the rights to it. I haven't read this book.

Andy 5:55

What's it about?

Johnny 5:57

It's about Lincoln, Lincoln's son Willie, who dies and goes to the Bardo, which is the Tibetan world, for the sort of like not all. Yeah, you're not at the afterlife yet. And then there are lots of characters there and it's all. It's written around. Apparently when Willie Lincoln died, they had to borrow a crypt for him in Washington and Abe went down and opened it and pulled him out and hugged him like frequently. Yeah. And like this documented thing. So George Saunders was really moved by it. And the whole book is sort of around like that image.

Tim 6:35

It's really cool. It's like part history, like research, like quotes from actual books and then like made up quotes from made up books and stuff. And then it's. It's almost. Isn't it like it's written like a screenplay or something? Sort of.

Johnny 6:48

Yeah, it's. It was interesting because, you know, it's George Saunders, so it was funny, but it was still like respectful where it should be. It wasn't making light of people's pain. So yeah, that was really, really enjoyable and also really sad in turns.

Tim 7:00

I think I talked about the audiobook at some point, didn't I?

Johnny 7:03

Did he read it?

Tim 7:05

No. Well, yes, he was one of the readers, but there were 125 other readers.

Johnny 7:10

Oh man, that's awesome.

Tim 7:12

It was like Nick Offerman, David Sedaris, I think like Sharon Stone or something like. Or some. I don't know, they were like. There was a lot of big names. But then like George Saunders was like getting his neighbors and stuff to read on it to do all the different voices.

Johnny 7:27

That's cool.

Andy 7:28

Yeah.

Johnny 7:29

Awesome. And I am writing with seasonally appropriate Musgrave Harvest number one on also a seasonally appropriate write Notepads Keats to Autumn Notebook from last year.

Andy 7:42

Yay. Nice.

Johnny 7:44

How about you, Andy?

Andy 7:46

Well, Katie and I finished the last and the final season of the Girls and Corfu.

Tim 7:51

Yay.

Andy 7:52

They closed that out. It's. It's such a good show. One of the like, kind of like, nicest. And it's not exactly like Downton Abbey and that, like, the stakes are like super low all the time.

Tim 8:02

The stakes have never been exactly. What was that? That was that quote where it was like, the snl. The Queen's coming. How much time do we have? A year and a half. Sorry, I just derailed.

Andy 8:20

No, that's so good. So we finished the Durrells and Corfu, so those of you who hate, you know, masterpiece listening to the show will never have to listen me talk about it again.

Johnny 8:31

I'll talk about it next time.

Andy 8:32

Exactly. It's on our list also, so. You know, one thing I think I've talked about in previous editions of this podcast is one of my favorite, favorite seasonal things to do was to buy the food edition of the New Yorker. It was so good. They always had really good, just like food journalism and essays and fiction about food. And I love, I love food writing.

Tim 8:57

It's.

Andy 8:58

I like it much better than I like to cook, which is weird. But I just love reading what people write about food. And for some reason, in less, like maybe three years, the New Yorker doesn't do that anymore. They do. They, they first they move the food issue to, like, spring, and then they combined it with like, travel, so it's travel and food. And then they. I don't think they do it at all anymore, which is disappointing. But I have discovered the. The yearly best American Food Writing edition, which is, you know, they do a bunch of those kind of best American books. They have best American fiction, best American travel writing, et cetera, et cetera. So this one is a bunch of really kind of, kind of good collected works about food writing. Um, and Samin Nasrat, who wrote Salt Fat Acid Heat, wrote, curated it and she's really good. And this is maybe the best, the best edition yet. There's really, really interesting things in here.

Tim 9:54

So that is good to know because that's all. Those series are great. This. Yeah, I've read. I've read pretty frequently the essays and then the short stories. And then I also, I used to read the best American non required reading that had like the best Craigslist posts of all time and stuff like that. Just like weird stuff that was just out of the ordinary. But I actually just bought the best American mystery stories for the first time. And it's. It was edited by Louise Penny, who writes the. What's that Town? It's like a town in Canada, but she's, she's really good. But. And it's excellent. It's A good collection, too. So I'll have to check out the food writing, though. I've never gotten that one.

Andy 10:37

Yeah, it's. It's an interesting combination. Like, there's a long form sort of investigative piece about, like, this guy who owns, like, the Palm Wonderful, like, pomegranate brand, and, you know, it's Cuties, the oranges. And he's basically the largest privately owned water consumer in the state of California. Like, his properties consume about the same amount of water as the city of Los Angeles. Yeah. In a state where there's not a lot of water to go around. So. Yeah, that's really interesting. And next one I'll launch into. But first, I have a question for you. When your spouses leave town, when your families and spouses leave town, it's just you. Do you have any bachelor habits that you fall back on?

Tim 11:23

Violent television?

Andy 11:25

Okay. That's your willingness to.

Johnny 11:26

Personal question.

Andy 11:30

So, Tim, it's like, violent television. Do you mean like the Wire or, like, wrestling?

Tim 11:34

I'm saying, like, things like. Like, it took me five years to watch Breaking Bad after it was gone, because that was the only times I ever watched it where. If James out of town, I would watch, like, seven episodes in a row. So that's. That's definitely one of them. And I'm not gonna spoil your parade, but your choice. Yeah, would totally be my choice if I had the means. And then I saw the word rented and I was like, oh, no, next time I'll tell you more. Yeah, yeah, those. That's basically those kinds of shows like Breaking Bad or. Or watching like, you know, Indiana Jones or just, like, action movies. Just things that I. Not the only things I like. But Jane just typically isn't interested, and so I. I take advantage of those times to do that.

Andy 12:13

What about you, Johnny?

Johnny 12:14

I mean, I guess there are certain movies that I'll watch or Frankie's not around, but lately it's Leonard Kenny, that show on Hulu.

Andy 12:22

Yeah. How are you now?

Johnny 12:24

Good, and you?

Andy 12:26

Not so bad.

Tim 12:29

I just sold it. I just want to watch it now.

Andy 12:32

Oh, it's so good.

Johnny 12:34

You'll watch, like, two hours of it the first night.

Andy 12:36

Watch it with subtitles on. That helps a lot,

Johnny 12:41

Mrs. Katie. That's what I liked about you.

Andy 12:45

Oh, is that the only thing he appreciates about her? Anyhow, so all this leading up to kind of my, like, bachelor fallback, which is video games. I. I am not really a video gamer, but I'm very interested in sort of the art and science of video games. And whenever Katie Leaves town. I just like, you know, play it in a marathon session any way I can. So one thing that's really, really interested me was a Nintendo Switch. But I don't really want to buy one because I'm not going to use it all the time. And it's kind of expensive. It's like $300.

Tim 13:17

I've been sniffing one of those out for like years and not same thing. I would never, I don't think I could ever justify buying one because I have so little time. But if there was a way that I could get one.

Andy 13:27

Well, Tim, let me then if someone

Tim 13:29

was to share that information, I would

Andy 13:31

love to hear this episode brought to you by Crisp. Now there's. There's this website that I just stumbled across called Crisp that C R I S P T h a t.com and they have a really weird assortment of things that they rent by the month. One of them is a Nintendo Switch. One of them and some games. One of them is a, a series of drones. One is some, some Gro Go pros and one is weirdly like pro level headphones. I don't think I would ever want to rent headphones, but that's weird.

Tim 14:07

I would be suspicious of anybody who would want to rent a drone.

Andy 14:12

I mean I've had situations where like, I would love to like during like some family gathering or something. I would love to get a really good like aerial shot.

Tim 14:21

That's true. Or if I wanted to like not pay tickets for a festival.

Andy 14:24

Exactly. You know, drones are so common out in the Bay Area that like there's, there's big like places where they have signs that say this is a no drone zone. And people like the Apple campus, when they were building it, they were rumored to have like, had recruited like falcons that would go and like take down a drone because people.

Tim 14:45

Wait, wait, don't tell me. Yeah, yeah.

Andy 14:49

But anyhow, you can rent a Nintendo Switch and three games for 60 bucks a month and.

Tim 14:57

Shut up.

Andy 14:58

Yeah. Which is.

Tim 14:59

There's a 30 day trial for 15 bucks.

Andy 15:02

A 30 day trial of. From Chris.

Tim 15:06

Yeah. Unless it's the games or something that's just for the games. Okay, go on.

Andy 15:12

It's weird because it's kind of the same business model as like Rent a Center, which is like kind of crappy, kind of predatory, but like it feels much nicer because it's like a nice little startup website. So they're based in Oakland, so they sent it to me today. I mean it's actually one day, but I got two day shipping and, yeah, and so I basically just keep it. And if I send it back to them before the end of the month, you know, they don't charge me for the next month, but you can basically keep it as long as you want. So I spent. I spent probably a good four hours Saturday night just like, playing the Legend of Zelda. Breath of the Wild.

Tim 15:47

Students have been telling me how awesome that is, so.

Andy 15:49

So I spent most of my time speaking of cooking. Like, if you gather all these, like, raw ingredients, like wheat and apples and acorns, you can, like, throw them into a cooking fire in various combinations and make all these different foods that, like, sustain you in different ways. So I legit spent like two hours just cooking in this video game. So I went in real deep. But I'm actually having some carpal tunnel issues now because of. But the other game that I playing that I have been kind of obsessed with a little bit is a game called Untitled Goose Game, which I think I've talked about the video game Goat Simulator on this show before.

Tim 16:32

Goat Simulator.

Andy 16:33

Goat Simulator. It's not for, like, a video game console. It's mostly like a PC or a Mac game. I think there's a mobile version too. But this game like that. So the tagline of Untitled Goose Game is something along the lines of, it's a beautiful day in the English countryside and you are a horrible goose.

Tim 16:52

And you.

Andy 16:53

Your whole goal, like, you can honk and you can flap your wings and you can, like, manipulate and grab objects with your beak, and you basically just go around this little village trying to, like, cause havoc. And you have these. These goals, like this checklist of goals. It's like steal the boy's glasses or make someone buy something they already owned. And you have to figure out kind of what that means and figure out how to manipulate your environment to make this happen.

Tim 17:26

You're like a UX goose.

Andy 17:28

Yeah, basically it's the UX Goose game. You're this, like, white goose and you honk and like, you. You flap your wings at people and they, like, you know, somebody, like, fights you off with a broom and somebody else, like, it's like cowers in the corner and it's. It's fun. It's made by this company that makes really, really fantastic, like, like coder, like, coding gear, coda and transmit and all these great things. They're really, really great. So I've talked. This is probably the most we've ever talked about video games on this show,

Johnny 18:01

but

Tim 18:03

I've got Rent. It won't be the Last. Yeah.

Andy 18:05

And you can. So you can get Untitled Goose game for your Switch or for your Mac. So it's. It's. It's available out there. Sorry, Johnny, No. No Linux versions yet.

Johnny 18:16

Sorry. It's coming.

Andy 18:20

Yeah. Coming pretty soon.

Tim 18:22

So.

Andy 18:23

Yeah, that. That video gaming, that's my. That's my bachelor activity. Because Katie, like, like, very much like, she doesn't care if I did play video games when she's around, but I would much rather like.

Tim 18:35

But you can feel it with her.

Andy 18:36

Something like that.

Johnny 18:37

Yeah. It's funny that none of us, like, sit around our underwear getting drunk when the wives are away. Like, pull some Risky business.

Tim 18:47

I said I'm watching Breaking Bad. I didn't say what I'm doing while I watch. Sitting with my hands on my knees watching Breaking Bad.

Johnny 18:56

Yeah, I drink too much coffee when I'm by myself. I get throw down.

Andy 19:02

So I'm finishing up my Michael. Michael marker. Mile marker field notes. Michael Moore Michael Moore field notes. And I'm writing with a blue European bit crystal that Johnny sent me.

Tim 19:16

The.

Andy 19:16

The kind that are orange.

Tim 19:19

Those are good.

Andy 19:20

The fine tip one. Yeah.

Johnny 19:22

Blue or black?

Tim 19:24

Blue.

Johnny 19:24

My favorite.

Andy 19:25

Yeah. Tim, how about you?

Tim 19:28

I got several different things, the first one of which I learned about at the Hemingway house, which I'm going to talk about during Freshpoints. But I got to visit the Hemingway house, and there was a poster there for a movie called Genius. Did you guys ever see Genius, the

Johnny 19:42

one about Tom Wolf?

Tim 19:44

Yeah.

Andy 19:44

Yeah.

Johnny 19:45

It was good. Okay.

Tim 19:45

Yeah, it's really good. I bought it on Amazon and watched that, and it was excellent. It's about Thomas Wolfe and Maxwell Perkins, the editor who discovered Fitzgerald and Hemingway. And so Hemingway and Fitzgerald make kind of cameos in the movie, but it's mostly about Thomas Wolfe's rise from, like, Obscurity, which. He's from Asheville, North Carolina, which is right down the road. We visit there all the time. And like, last time I saw Wilco, they played at the Thomas Wolf auditorium there. Like, a lot of stuff is named for him now, but he was. Yeah, just this kind of fascinating, obscure genius. And he. It. It's a very good movie. Colin Firth plays Maxwell Perkins. Jude Law plays Thomas Wolf, and Nicole Kidman plays the, like, benefactress of. Of Thomas Wolf.

Johnny 20:37

But Dominic, Good, I was gonna say,

Andy 20:40

how long ago was that movie from? Because Has Jude laws two and a

Tim 20:44

half years or something like that? Yeah, 2016.

Andy 20:47

I was trying to figure out if Jude Law's American accent has improved.

Johnny 20:52

Well, his. His Southern American accent's like Serviceable.

Andy 20:55

Yeah, that's true. That's not so far from like an English accent.

Johnny 20:59

Like the guy from Ozark who's Scottish, guy who plays Jacob. Like he does a really good accent.

Tim 21:07

I thought, I thought he did a great job as Thomas Wolfe.

Johnny 21:10

Dominic west did a really good cameo of Hemingway in the middle of it. When I saw him, I was like, he's gonna suck. But when he was on there, I was like, that was so perfect.

Tim 21:18

Yeah. Excuse me. But it's a, it's a great movie so I definitely recommend it. I bought it on Amazon and I'm glad I did because I'll totally watch it again. I, While I was there, one of my favorite things, kind of sentimental things to do when we go to Florida, we were at, we were in Fort Myers, Florida, staying with my parents and my grandmother who's there. My, my grandfather passed away. That's about four years ago, maybe five years ago. And when I go down there, his. They're like complex where they lived, has a library, like a sharing library. And so one of his friends, I always like to go down and ask his friends, like, what does he, what did he read? Like, what were some of the like last things he was reading? Just to kind of like have a connection with him. And it's like I read and some of, you know, it's not necessarily my taste, but it just felt kind of special to read some of the books that he had been reading in recent years. And so I found like a couple Stuart woods books which aren't my like favorite things, but it was cool to read because I knew that he had read some. And then last time I found out this, when we were down there, found out that he had read some Lee Child who I've talked about on here before. So I was like, I should go in there and see what kind of Lee Child there are. And I don't think this probably wasn't his because I know my grandpa only bought hardback books, but I picked up a Lee Child novel while I was down there called Tripwire, which actually starts out, oddly enough, it just happened to be the one I picked up. It starts in Key west, so it seemed perfect. And so I picked it up and on the flight home I read the first 70 pages of it. And that was with a six year old sitting next to me. So I must have been really, really engrossed in it. So it's, it's really good so far, which I've talked about Lee Child again and again, but this is a good one. It was the third one he wrote. So it's one of the pretty, pretty early ones, but it's. It's pretty good so far. I also, while I was on break, discovered a band that I can't believe I've never heard before. They're called Camp C A A M P Camp. I don't. I don't know how I've not heard of them, but they're kind of, if you ever listened to Ray lamontagne, kind of like early Ray lamontagne stuff, maybe a little. Little more rockin or something. But it is just. It's great. Kind of the Avett Brothers. It's kind of similar to the Avett Brothers too, but maybe it's a little more relaxed than the Avett Brothers tend to be. But I really recommend it. They're pretty young, they're from Columbus, Ohio, and they only have, I think, two, like two and a half albums.

Andy 23:56

So they're gonna be in San Francisco next week.

Tim 23:58

You should see them. I've heard they put on a really good show. Seriously.

Andy 24:01

Well, they're sold out, so they got

Johnny 24:03

a lot of stuff on Spotify.

Tim 24:06

Oh, do they?

Johnny 24:07

Because I. Yeah, those are some great mustaches too.

Tim 24:10

Yeah, the quality mustaches. But I thought they just had like two main. Two albums and then like maybe a couple EPs or something.

Johnny 24:15

Yeah, it was like a bunch of singles.

Tim 24:16

Singles, yeah. Yeah. So I really. I really recommend them. I've been listening to them. I don't do this very often, but that's basically all I've listened to for like five days. I just keep putting it on the Spotify. This is Camp. Or comp. Or Camp. This is, this is Camp playlist.

Andy 24:35

Use your. Use your Indiana vowel Flattening. Just go Camp.

Tim 24:42

So I really recommend it. They're good. They're really good. Kind of folk, folky. I almost used the phrase soft rock, which is like a really horrible, horrible, horrible phrase. But really, anybody who likes Ray lamontagne, you'd really like him. So. And two new albums I also wanted to mention, and I'll try not to talk forever about the second one, but the first one is the Avett Brothers, who I just mentioned came out with a new album called Closer Than Together, which is very, very good and also surprisingly political. Not going to get into the details on that, but it's. It's a very good album. And the one that I do want to talk about a little more is Wilco came out with their new album. So they had been on hiatus for a couple years, taking a break from touring. And they announced to make field notes. To make field notes. Took them two years to get that plan together. And then they, in August, I guess, they announced they were coming out with a new album which was called Ode to Joy, which I pre ordered like the day at the day they announced. And it showed up the day before we left for Florida. And it is. If anybody wants to find a place to start on this album, it's kind of. It has a big spread. There are some songs that are kind of slower and down and there's some that are more upbeat. But they put out a music video and I know from reading Tweety, Jeff Tweedy's biography, that he. He really doesn't like to do music videos for no reason. He only likes to do them when it sounds like a fun idea. And so I really recommend that everybody watch the music video for Everyone Hides because it's a very kind of homemade music video just by the band. You can tell it was just kind of a. It's just like a simple idea, really well executed, where basically they're playing like hide and they're like practicing in their famous loft and they decide to play hide and seek in the middle of the song. And Jeff Tweedy, like covers his eyes and they all run off, but then he just kind of pranks him and just stays there and like watches TV while they're all hiding all over Chicago and running all over the place. He dozes off on the couch and then wakes up to go find him, but then finds him on the. On the ceiling or on the ceiling, on the. The roof, like in the middle of playing the song again. It's just a really fun video and that song is just infectious. It's really great. And so they came out with this album, which is probably the best album they've put. Put out in, in a decade. And it's really excellent. And I'm seeing them this Sunday with Jason, one of my co hosts from the Erasable podcast, or I mean from the Membership podcast. We're seeing them at the Grand Ole Opry, which I think I've mentioned, and that's this Sunday. I'm extremely excited to go see them in Nashville.

Johnny 27:24

They're not coming anywhere near Baltimore.

Tim 27:26

Bummer.

Johnny 27:28

Pittsburgh is closest. That's really far away.

Tim 27:30

Yeah, they put on a great show and actually this is kind of a side consuming thing, but I just want to give a shout out to live streams of concerts on the Internet. It's one of the best things that's ever happened on the Internet is the bands Will do like a free show every once in a while and you can find them on. You go on YouTube and just pick a band that you love and they'll be like a full produced live concert. But Wilco does one or two a year and they did one two nights ago. It was live at Brooklyn. I think it's called Steel in Brooklyn. But it was a show and the whole. All two and a half hours of it or whatever are online for free on YouTube. And they put on a really, really good show. And Tweety's just a really good stage presence. Like his conversations and jokes and stuff that he makes between songs are really great. So Ode to Joy from Wilco, it's really great. And yeah, check out that video for everyone Hides. And I am writing with a pencil, a very, very crappy pencil, but it's from the Hemingway Home and Museum in Key West, Florida. What? It's yellow, it's round, and it has a nice supple eraser. And I've got some that I'm sending to you guys.

Andy 28:35

Oh, yeah. Well, after that, that stunning endorsement.

Tim 28:38

Wear them out, guys. Wear them out. But. And I'm writing in a Rocky Mountain national park field notes, so. All right, well, let's jump into. You know, tonight we're just doing a fresh points episode. We got stuff to catch up on. And let's just jump into some of the new notebooks that have come out. Johnny, why don't you start us out with the new release from Write Notepads.

Andy 29:06

Sure. So.

Johnny 29:08

So the new Write Notepads is called Black Elk, which is dedicated to the holy man from the Oglala band, the Lakota. So when I was in college, we had a class called Native Americans Then and Now, sort of like a late 90s thing at a late 90s vibe. And every semester they focused on a different group. So when I took it, we talked about the group of natives collectively known as the Sioux. And we learned a lot about black elk. And we had a speaker come and tell us a lot about buffalo, which was really interesting. And now back when I was in college, you couldn't just go buy buffalo. It had to be like privately owned buffalo because they were protected. I don't know if that's still the case. But anyway, the. They're, you know, three notebooks, like they usually do. They're staple bound, which is pretty, and they're stamped with a black elk on the front and black ink. And on the back it says, some dreams are wiser than. Wiser than waking. And yeah, the the paper, like, I haven't gotten them in my hands yet because today is Columbus Day slash Indigenous peoples day, and there was no male. But it's this really, really neat, like linen looking texture. It looks like a pair of pants.

Andy 30:25

I love, love that color.

Johnny 30:27

Yeah, it's described as blue, but it's more like a. Looks like a green sweater. Yeah, I really can't wait to get my hands on these. I might have coffee with Mr. Chris tomorrow, which means I might get them a little sooner, which would be awesome. But you know, they have the usual paper, they're 70 pound. It can handle anything. Paper with no lines or anything this time, which is cool because I like to use my write notepad sideways and get the full sheet of like whiteness for writing on. So this will be good for that. But they also have this new thing out that they haven't talked about much called writer's block, where if you have an account on their website, you get what are called notes for things like leaving reviews or money that you spend and different levels where you get interesting rewards, which is really cool. I. I left a couple reviews and got notes and got 25% off my order, which was awesome. I think like at 100 you can get one of those keychains that they used to have for members, which is pretty cool. Like, there's. It's a really low threshold before you get like free shipping or discounts and stuff like that. And if you don't have an account, I can send you a referral and you'll get 20% off, which is awesome.

Andy 31:48

This episode brought to you by Johnny

Johnny 31:50

G. Yeah, but these, like this. It's a really good season for pocket notebooks this fall. Like this and the field notes together. This is really, really good looking notebooks. And you know, there's controversies around, you know, everything except leaves. So some folks were not happy about. Right. Notepads honoring a native leader and all that stuff. But we won't talk about that. We'll just acknowledge that it happened and that it's okay. But yeah, these, they only made 400. They made 400 and they're not sold out yet, according to the website right now on Monday night. But they did some weird thing where the. They went out to an email to like a VIP list Friday. So I don't know when they went on the regular list because I want the VIP list.

Tim 32:42

Show off.

Andy 32:42

I'm shocked.

Johnny 32:43

Yeah, yeah, shocked, shocked.

Tim 32:45

I tell you. There's gambling going on.

Johnny 32:47

Yeah. Oh, and they came. It comes with a. I don't know what the hell this means. A large cabinet card. What does that mean? I don't know, but it's a card of a picture of Black Elk when he was younger.

Andy 32:59

It looks like a trading card. Kind of like a. Like, is it the size of, like, a. Like a baseball card?

Johnny 33:04

It looks bigger in the picture, but

Tim 33:07

it's hard to tell.

Johnny 33:08

And the. The corners are, like, super rounded.

Andy 33:11

Oh.

Johnny 33:11

And it look. It looks like the Joe Gan's card, but much smaller.

Andy 33:16

But it's.

Johnny 33:18

This is a really, really great tribute and a really pretty notebook. Like, win, win.

Andy 33:23

Yeah.

Johnny 33:25

And my other fresh point is NaNoWriMo is coming up in, like, two weeks. In a couple days. So are you guys planning on, you know, banging your head against the literary

Andy 33:35

wall for a month?

Tim 33:36

I'm stressed out and I haven't even started yet.

Andy 33:40

I've been banging my head against the literary wall since January, so I'm. I am not doing that.

Johnny 33:45

Oh, yeah. I don't want to make you talk about your book if it's. If it's becoming. If it's becoming stressful, but I know it's all right. What's that book? There's no plot. No problem. And there's another book that has a brown cover. I just ordered a copy of it that'll come tomorrow. I forgot because I have, like, no idea what the hell to write about this year, and that's usually the case, but it's bothering me more this year. Oh, it's called Ready Set Novel. A writer's workbook by the folks that bring you. Right. Notepads aren't Write notepads. Oh, my God. NaNoWriMo. Now I really sound like a shill. But, yeah, I always write NaNoWriMo. But, like, I spend December and part of January, like, not being able to hold my phone right, because my hands hurt. I think I'm getting too old for this.

Tim 34:34

And phones are way more important than writing novels. Yeah.

Johnny 34:38

So I think I'm just going to type it on my Chromebook because, you know, the battery lasts forever and if I drop it, it wasn't that expensive.

Andy 34:45

Should write your novel with your thumbs onto your phone.

Johnny 34:49

That would take me so long. I'm a really bad phone typer.

Tim 34:54

My FAT would disagree with that as well. And I have an xr, so.

Johnny 35:00

Yeah, I don't know what that means.

Tim 35:02

A big, big iPhone. I have the iPhone and my thumbs would still be.

Johnny 35:07

Don't brag, Tim. Oh, man. So was it two years ago? When did dime novel come out? I. I did it all in Dime novel. And like, you know, they're nice books. I was trying to conserve paper and there were no lines, so I started writing so small, like my hand was just like a claw for all of December. I don't want to do that again. But I also have a crap ton of decomposition books because I don't use them, but I buy them and because they're so pretty. So maybe that would be less hand cramp inducing. I don't know if anybody has an idea, any ideas on avoiding hand cramps? I'd be very happy to hear them.

Andy 35:46

Don't write a novel in November.

Johnny 35:49

It's like Thanksgiving comes very late this year, as late as it can, so that's less of an interruption.

Tim 35:56

Let's do it.

Johnny 35:57

Yeah, but, yeah, you're doing it this year, right, Tim?

Tim 36:02

I'm gonna go for it. Yeah, I'm, I'm. I'm feeling very, like, I don't expect myself to finish. Like, I, I, I usually can pump myself up and tell myself that I'm gonna do it this year, but I, it feels insane to do it this year, but I feel compelled to anyways. Maybe that's a good sign. I don't know. Uh, but I.

Johnny 36:21

It's always kind of wacky to do it.

Tim 36:23

I feel compelled to do it. Um, but it, it feels extra crazy because of how stressed out I am on a daily basis about just work and kids stuff. And I've told you before that I think in the last episode when we got like, heady about our, our journaling and stuff, most of my journaling is about how I don't write enough. So it seems crazy to be like, okay, fine, I don't write enough. I'm gonna write 50, 000 words this month. Yeah, I'm gonna write a novel this month, so.

Johnny 36:50

But you wanted it. Here it is.

Tim 36:52

But I'm just kind of like, ask for it. I'm gonna go for it and just have fun with it. And I will probably be typing as well. I'm doing my prep in a. I'm actually using a small decomposition notebook that I bought when I was with you, Andy, or with Johnny the, in D.C.

Johnny 37:05

oh, the, the log cabin one.

Tim 37:07

Yeah, that's my favorite. The little, like, small, small sized Log Cabin one that I'm doing my prep in.

Johnny 37:12

But those books are adorable.

Tim 37:14

They are. They are.

Andy 37:17

Yeah.

Johnny 37:18

I'm babbling enough, I bet you. Andy,

Andy 37:22

I just have one fresh point, and that is the interesting new product by Baron Fig, which is a new kind of like, what is the name of the size. This is the flagship size. Yeah. So the A5 size Vanguard and the edition is called Trace and it is kind of reminds me of Unfinish which was their confidant that was blue and it has a series of just every page has a different little drawing with a very faint red line and. Or maybe it's orange and kind of the, the idea is that you know, you take something like a marker or a dark pencil or something and you just trace over that line and it just feels very kind of meditative and relaxing. I think that it's the same sort of, sort of thing as like you know, adult coloring books. Right. But it's really interesting because they partnered with a designer named Kyle T. Webster for this and Kyle works with me. I've been at the office with him a few times. I think he actually works out of. He works remote from the east coast. But yeah, so he's an Adobe design employee and unfinished that confident I was talking about earlier was designed or like a partnership with Koi Vin who is another designer at Adobe. So they are making their way through Adobe designers. But yeah, it's. I haven't actually had the chance to get in and actually trace anything with it yet. It's. I don't think I've traced something since grade school right. Just to like.

Tim 38:58

Yeah, looks really cool. I did not get one of these but like it's, it kind of the, the drawings have that look of pictures that are colored with or drawn with like one continuous line kind of.

Andy 39:11

Yeah.

Tim 39:11

You know talking about like where it kind of like winds and wiggles in a way that looks like they tried to like you try. I don't think he did but like he tried to do with one. Like I think I feel like they're, they're just like trolling me here on their website with the, the pictures, like the preview pictures and the one they have is a guy as a picture mid wind up. Yeah, it's really, really cool looking.

Johnny 39:32

I really, really like this guy's style a lot.

Andy 39:35

Yeah, yeah, he's, he's kind of well known. He, he designed several Photoshop brushes so he'd like. So in Photoshop you can, you can you know add special brushes that, that gives your pictures some like text some different textures or something. And his brushes were so good and like realistic that at one point Adobe sort of like Aqua hired him. They, they, he came to work at Adobe and they. Adobe kind of includes his brushes in Photoshop now. So yeah, it's super good. His style is really Great. This notebook is really gorgeous. It has this, like, dark green cover with, you know, the. An orange inside page and orange drawings on the COVID and then, like, an orange thread to bind it. So it's a gorgeous notebook. I kind of wish they would make this same thing, but with blank pages that I could write in.

Johnny 40:27

Yeah. This green is, like. It makes me think of field notes, but they don't actually ever do anything with this green. Yeah, it's like a really nice, like, 90s forest green.

Andy 40:37

Yeah. It's not exactly hunter green, but it's not, like, really light green either. Yeah.

Johnny 40:43

And I sent you guys a picture. Like, the belly band matches the orange field notes.

Andy 40:47

Oh, that's true. Yeah.

Johnny 40:48

The belly band of the field notes matches the green of the Baron fig book. Like, they totally coordinate.

Andy 40:56

Yeah.

Johnny 40:57

This makes me happy.

Andy 40:58

And speaking of that field notes trilogy, Tim, would you like to go?

Tim 41:03

Absolutely. Yeah. We kind of made some predictions and talked about the new field notes in our last episode, and I think we were about 16 hours short of finding out what they actually were or something when we recorded that. And so the newest field notes, which most people will probably know by now, but is the Autumn trilogy, which we've just mentioned. And it was actually. I felt. I actually kind of gasped when I first saw the edition because I thought my prediction was right. I think I had said something like the. The transitioning shades of a leaf as they change.

Andy 41:38

You know, you're so close.

Tim 41:40

I was like, oh, my God, I did it.

Johnny 41:42

I did it.

Tim 41:42

But I was wrong. But it is. It is a very simple addition focused on three different leaves. It's a sugar maple, an American elm, and a scarlet oak. And so it has a. I think, actually on Take Note, Adam had predicted that they were going to do something with, like, letter pressing on this edition. And it is a. Which is what you call that. Right. Like, that's the letterpress texture, but it has an imprint of all three leaves on them, and then they're colored in sort of a autumnal shade of each leaf. I think they called them warm red, safety yellow, and scarlet.

Johnny 42:28

And the scarlet oak was Thoreau's favorite tree. That one's extra special.

Andy 42:35

What are your. What are your favorites of these three?

Tim 42:39

Mine is the warm red, for sure, which is, I think, the sugar maple.

Andy 42:45

Yeah.

Johnny 42:47

Oh, yeah. I like the. The yellow elm.

Andy 42:50

Yeah, me too. That safety yellow is really gorgeous. And I think my favorite part about this is the kind of design detail is that the. The innards, which are lined. The, like, little header line is the same Color as the COVID on each of these.

Tim 43:06

Yeah, that's really cool.

Andy 43:07

That like double kind of America the Beautiful style line. So. Yeah, I think that's my favorite detail.

Tim 43:13

My, my favorite detail was definitely the, the lifelike picture of each Lee or of. I guess it was only of the, the sugar maple that was on the belly band. And it lined up. It lines up perfectly with his lineup.

Andy 43:31

Yeah.

Tim 43:32

So it's really good. It wraps around and it's like a green version of it. It's like the springtime version of it or whatever. And then it just perfectly transitions into the letterpress. I think I thought it was a really cool addition. I was glad they did a lined one too because. Yeah, it's been a while since they've had a ruled edition that I really enjoyed and this one I really love. So.

Johnny 43:50

And they, they did that 70 pound paper, which was nice.

Andy 43:53

Yeah.

Johnny 43:54

So you remember they, like this was before tradesmen. The paper they had was 50 pound, but it was sort of toothy and like really see through. And then they came up with the 50 pound paper that was opaque. And now they have a 60 pound paper that's opaque. I wonder if they'll step up and

Andy 44:10

pretty soon it's like 600 pound paper.

Johnny 44:12

Yeah.

Andy 44:13

Just a block of wood.

Johnny 44:14

Everybody likes people like the 70. I mean the 60 is perfectly fine, but you know, I don't use fountain pens. But the 70 paper is like luxe. Nice.

Andy 44:25

Did anybody see some people were posting pictures of the like launch party at Field Notes and they had the dies, like the metal die out for display.

Johnny 44:34

Oh, that's awesome.

Andy 44:35

And somebody, I think in the Field Notes group posted a close up of it and it was just like so finely detailed. It looked like somebody was pressed a leaf directly into the dye.

Tim 44:45

That's really cool. I did not see that. I don't know.

Andy 44:50

I'm.

Tim 44:50

I'm glad. I'm. I'm glad that they decided to follow a tradition kind of, you know, like something that is, I mean, Shenandoah. And what was the other one?

Johnny 45:05

Yeah, that one.

Tim 45:07

Yeah, like, like they just like are following something and you could argue, arguably you could put like, wasn't Fire Spotter a fall edition?

Johnny 45:16

Yeah, I always thought that one was pretty autumnal, that pretty red.

Tim 45:19

Yeah. So they've, so they've done this a few times and I think it is, it will never get old because these are the. I'm wearing, I'm intentionally wearing a very autumnal plaid shirt that I was excited to wear today because it was under 95 degrees.

Johnny 45:36

Oh, so we didn't talk about the subscriber extra.

Tim 45:39

I'm wearing mine. Mine is wrapped around my forehead right now.

Johnny 45:42

Are you serious?

Tim 45:42

I'm wearing it, like, David Foster Wallace style wrapped around.

Johnny 45:45

You gotta send us. You gotta send us a picture.

Andy 45:47

Yeah, can we use that as our cover art, please?

Tim 45:49

Hang on. I'm gonna Getting into my. I'm getting my app. I'll text you a picture.

Andy 45:53

Yeah, I. I have to say, it's a. It's a little. I don't want to be that complainer guy, but it's a little, like, cheaper than a regular bandana. Like, mine's super thin, and it came with, like, coated in, like, those chemicals that. Like the shortening, stiffening chemicals.

Johnny 46:11

But like, that. You know, they're with the. They took away the. Or took away. They no longer send you the free craft books. So, you know, people were.

Andy 46:21

Oh, that's right.

Johnny 46:22

But the last three times, subscribers have gotten something really awesome. And then when it was the map or the extra notebooks, people still complained because it was. Oh, yeah, well, that's not exclusive. Like, but it was free. That was pretty cool. I got a free $13 pack of notebooks. But this was exclusive.

Andy 46:39

Yeah, yeah, it's a. It's a cool. I like the colors on. I like the brown bandana. I'm not really a bandana guy, but I. I wish I had, like. Like, a dog that I could tie that to, like a. Like a black lab with.

Tim 46:52

Such a good idea. Oh, my gosh.

Andy 46:53

Yeah, put that on, Theo.

Tim 46:55

Theo's gonna be all over this thing. Oh, he's gonna wear it a lot better than I do. I'm trying to take a picture in this weird lighting that doesn't look. Make me look insane. And also my hair is, like, going crazy, which I'm just going to lean into it.

Andy 47:06

I posted that picture of me in the sunglasses as the episode art last time.

Tim 47:10

So I'm going to send you the crazy one, and then I'm. Oh, my gosh. Okay, There you go.

Andy 47:19

And then, Johnny, you can get us a picture for the next episode.

Johnny 47:22

Yeah, all right. I'll let my kids take it. But I liked the. The Hawthorne quotation. That was a nice touch.

Tim 47:30

Yeah, that was cool.

Johnny 47:31

I feel like he's. He's so out of fashion. Nobody quotes him.

Tim 47:34

He's very out of fashion. Because the Scarlet Letter is, like, a really painful book to read. Oh, yeah, that's just one of those classics that I'm just like, no, I don't want to read. It. Please tell me.

Johnny 47:44

Oh, my God. Have you seen the movie with Demi Moore? It was so bad. Oh, my God.

Andy 47:51

Katie really hates the Grapes of Wrath and she. She calls it the Grapes of My Wrath.

Johnny 48:04

I'm gonna chuckle the next time I see that book. And I remember that.

Tim 48:09

I think overall it was a great addition. It was. Yeah. Well done. And I was excited to get it and I'm definitely excited to use it. And I. And it's the first time in a little while where I felt like I kind of wanted to save it a little bit. You know, I wanted to use it for something special, which I don't really feel that way.

Andy 48:26

Tim, this is so good. This is definitely the episode cover art we need to. Your white hair just sort of like sticking.

Tim 48:40

The pomade is really working its job. It's earning its keep today.

Andy 48:47

So. Good.

Tim 48:49

Yeah. So, yeah. You guys have anything else to say about the autumn trilogy?

Johnny 48:53

I just repeat that it's a really good fall for Notebooks.

Andy 48:57

Yeah. But I've been trying to fill up my mile marker so I can, like, get into it, but I feel like at this point it's going to be like December by the time I get in. No, I'll start it in November whether I can or not.

Tim 49:07

Yeah.

Johnny 49:09

Cool.

Tim 49:10

Well, yeah. My only other fresh point, which I've kind of alluded to it a couple times, is that I was on fall break this past week and we, as part of our trip to Fort Myers to see my parents and my grandmother, we also were gifted for Jane and I's birthday with a boat ride over the Gulf to Key west for a day. So it was just kind of a one day back and forth. It was. It's about a four hour boat ride, which was really, really nice, especially the morning one, to be like sitting on top. Be like on top of the boat and be relaxing in the. With the wind whipping by and all that, and really enjoyed that boat ride. Then we got to Key west, which is famously home to the Hemingway house, and stupidly saved it to last. So we only got to spend about 45 minutes there, which is really a huge bummer because Key west is terrible. It's a really awful place. I think it was probably great when Hemingway lived there, but now it basically feels like. And this is not to knock the place that I'm about to mention because a lot of people really love this kind of thing. But like, places like Myrtle beach, you know, like how like touristy they are with like the ice cream shops and the shirts with airbrushed Stuff and, you know, neon everything and alligator heads and all that stupid stuff that you can buy there. Anyways, it's like a place like that, but compressed to like four square blocks. It's. It's pretty, it's pretty awful. So it's like no matter, no matter where you are and no matter how sure you are, you know where you are, you always feel lost. But you know that if you walk in any direction, you can buy a like corny T shirt or like a trump flag, or you can go into a bar and pay like $11 for a beer. So it's kind of hard, but. But before it sold, it sold to the devil. It was a fishing hub and a place that Hemingway loved. And so the story goes. And I'm just going to kind of give my like spiel about the place. And some, some of you might already know this kind of stuff, but Hemingway, he spent almost a decade in France and this is when he was around, you know, F. Scott Fitzgerald and what's her name?

Andy 51:25

Zelda.

Tim 51:26

Well, no.

Johnny 51:27

Oh, Hadley.

Tim 51:28

No, I'm thinking of the, the famous.

Johnny 51:30

Oh, Gertrude Stein.

Tim 51:32

Gertrude Stein, yes, there. And Ezra Pound was around and, you know, T.S. eliot was coming through and all this stuff. He was there. And then when he left, just on his passageway back home with his second wife, he ended up finding Key west and decided, I want to live here. And so he bought a house on Key west. And that was the first house he lived in after he left Paris. And he lived there. That was kind of his home base for like a decade after that. And the house was the biggest house on Key west at the time, like the best, sort of like the fanciest house on Key West. And he bought the place, which had only had one other owner, which was like this British general or something, that it had been boarded up for like 40 years. And Hemingway paid off the back taxes on the place and then moved in and then owned it until he passed away, until he took his own life in 1961, even though he hardly ever lived there after he discovered Cuba, basically. And so the house is kind of in a little compound. There are like walls all around and when you walk in, it's a two story place. And the house became, while he was there, the first house on Key west to have indoor plumbing. And not only did he do indoor plumbing, but he did it on two levels of the house. And then it also was, and I'll get to the story in a little bit, but the first house on Key west to have a swimming pool, which now like every house on Key West. But it was. It was really simple, like experience when you walk through, because there's not like a lot of furniture and stuff. There are a few things that were left behind, like his bed frame and his desk and the chair that he sat in his writing room. But he's like. His bed frame was made of the wooden gate of a Spanish monastery, like, pretty cool looking. And then there were these crazy chandeliers that his wife had bought. And it was. It was almost. It's a little. It was. I was like, super excited when I walked in because There are like 10 typewriters in the place. And I was like, oh, my gosh, this is so cool. You know, like I'm seeing Hemingway's typewriter, but it's like, oh, wait. And like, very quickly I was like, no way. None of these are actually Hemingway's typewriter. There's no way they would be sitting in this house. They've all been auctioned off and they're in museums or whatever, you know, so like, they were all just kind of facsimiles or whatever or similar typewriters to what he had. But the one portion of the. The time there is. We were kind of rushing because we didn't want to miss our boat back to the. The mainland, as they say. I found myself in his writing room by myself because we just broke off tour and Jane kind of like walked through. She's like, oh, neat. I'm gonna go down and see if there's something. Like she was going to look at something else. I was like, yeah, that's cool. I just. I'm gonna stay up here for a minute. And so for about five minutes I just stood. And when you walk, it's the only room in the whole complex that you can't just walk straight into. There's like a gate, sort of when you come through the door that keeps you from walking out into it. And there are books on the shelves that I don't know if they're. I assume they're still his. And there's a desk, this kind of ornate looking, oakish desk or, you know, whatever in the middle. And his little chair that he sat at and the typewriter poised at it. That is. I know, the same kind of typewriter he used. I don't know if it's the exact same one, but I assume, knowing writers, he probably would have taken it with him. And there's a kind of long. I don't know what you call those kind of chairs that you can. It looks kind of, like, a wicker chair, but it has a really long bottom on it, so you can put your legs up on it with, like, one. One side's open and one has, like, an armrest on it. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Like a lounge chair. And it's. It's all. It's in the room. But I stood there, and my imagination just, like, freaked out. And I was, like, seeing him in my head, pacing the room, like, reading a draft and, like, sitting down at that desk to type. And all the windows were opened up. And then, of course, like, I looked around the corner, and there was a bathroom up there, and I got to see his toilet. So I sent you guys a picture of his toilet. I was like, this is where Hemingway pooped. Look, look, look. Indoor plumbing. Cool.

Andy 55:32

This is where Hemingway pooped. That's such a good.

Tim 55:38

But I really. It was just kind of, you know, sort of haunting in a way. Not in, like, a scary way, but just kind of like, wow. Like, this is the room where he wrote sections of A Farewell to Arms. This is where he wrote Green Hills of Africa. This is where he wrote some of his, like, most famous short stories, because that was one of his most productive times while he was based in Key West. So that was really, really cool to be in that room. And that was definitely my favorite part of the tour. Everything else was just kind of like, oh, it's another room in his house. And then they would tell us a story that didn't have really anything to do with his house or do with his life besides just. He lived here. But is a. Is a really cool tour. And now some of the other things about the tour that I definitely catch.

Andy 56:21

Cats. Cats. Cats.

Tim 56:23

59 cats.

Andy 56:25

Wow.

Tim 56:26

59 cats live within the Hemingway compound. So he. He. So the story goes, he was. I always thought the polydactyl thing, the cats with extra toes, was because of inbreeding, which the reason that they are there is because of inbreeding. But polydactyl trait is not because of inbreeding, apparently. It is just a random trait that is very inheritable. I don't know what the word you use is, but it's very easily passed down. And so he. Hemingway was a super superstitious guy, and he loved Key west because of the fishing and because of going out in the ocean. So he would befriend all these captains that would come in, and they'd drink at his favorite bar, which we went to, which is called Sloppy Joe's. And he. He would befriend these captains, and one of these cap captains came back and he brought a gift for Hemingway when he visited him this time. And he, he, he knew that he was superstitious, and so he brought him a polydactyl cat, which is known as being a signal, a sign of good luck on a ship. And so he gave him this cat. And Hemingway just was over the moon for this cat, like, fell in love with it, and it was his favorite thing. And then the cat quickly reproduced and then reproduced again. And now. So the original cat, which I think its name was Bell, but I might be getting this wrong. You know, obviously it was taken away and lived with Hemingway or whatever, but the cats continued to live on the property. And the guide told us that at any given time, there are between 40 and 60 cats.

Andy 57:48

Wow.

Tim 57:49

Living on this property. And half of them are polydactyls, which means they have extra toes.

Andy 57:54

Yeah.

Tim 57:55

The first one we met, like the main one that we saw because it just kind of followed us around for the whole tour, was named Daisy Buchanan, which is pretty great.

Andy 58:03

Pretty great.

Tim 58:04

But. And Daisy Buchanan was even an unusual polydactyl because usually polydactyls, like cats usually have five on the front and four on the back. I think usually polydactyls would just have extras on the front.

Andy 58:13

Yeah.

Tim 58:14

But DAISY Buchanan had six on every foot.

Andy 58:17

Wow.

Tim 58:18

So 24 toes. And so I'm devil's cat. I am very much, very much in the market for a polydactyl cat. So, you know, shout out to any cat breeders out there who know where I can get a polydactyl cat, because I definitely want. They're all super sweet. They're everywhere. You'd, like, go around a corner in his garden and there would be like a 10 foot path and nine cats would be like, laying in the sun and you just walk around them and they would just kind of like casually look at you and you'd bend down and pet them. They're all really nice.

Andy 58:43

I think you're. I think you're right because it is. It is a trait that happens a lot.

Tim 58:46

Like, I have a.

Andy 58:47

A good friend who has a polydactyl cat who just, you know, she just adopted him from the shelter.

Tim 58:53

Right.

Andy 58:53

Like, it's. It says something. I think you. You notice. Yeah, sometimes. Yeah, I don't.

Tim 58:59

And yeah, it's. It's. It's pretty. It's. I mean, when you look at them, you just look at their feet. It takes only a glance. You don't even have to be a cat expert. And you're Just like something. Yeah, it's like. It looks like they have like a fan on their foot. It's just like tons. Yeah. Pretty unusual.

Johnny 59:13

Does the whole place smell like cat pee?

Tim 59:15

No, no, it's really clean and all the cats are super nice and I don't know where they poop or maybe they don't poop. Maybe that's one of the traits in that toilet. Toilet, which I will say that when I, I was up there, like having that kind of moment in his room and I was like, wow, this is amazing. And then a cat just suddenly walked out from under his like lounge chair and like jumped through the. The gate that I was like standing behind, like clutching as I was looking into his writing room and just like jumped up like 4ft off the ground through the gate, like rubbed up against my leg and then just ran outside. I was like, oh, that was cool. That's my favorite one. But yeah, but it was a really cool, really cool experience. There was also his. It was the first swimming pool in Key West. His second wife, while he was reporting on the Spanish Civil War. And I think getting to know his soon to be third wife, his wife back in Key west spent the equivalent of $320,000 today putting in a swimming pool while he was gone. And so the story goes that when he came back, he got. Was pissed off about that and he said, well, why don't you just. You might as well take my last penny. And he took like some coins out of his pocket and threw them towards her. And one of the pennies stuck into the still wet cement around the pool and it's still stuck there.

Andy 1:00:27

Oh wow, that's. That's such a good story.

Tim 1:00:30

Yeah, it's still, it's still sticking there right in the, right in the. The wet cement. I guess they were finishing the pool as he came home. So it was. I'm really glad we went. And there's a. There's like a bookstore built under the. The writing room and what I guess used to be the garage sort of space. And, and it's got every edition you can possibly imagine of any Hemingway book, which was really cool. I was going to buy a copy of Everyone Behaves Badly. Have you guys seen that book?

Andy 1:00:56

No.

Tim 1:00:56

Came out a few years ago. It's about the writing of. It's about the writing of the Sun Also Rises. I told you about that book. So we read on about Gatsby. It's kind of like that first the Sun Also Rises, but more historical and just tells the story of what was going on behind the scenes and why he wrote that book and where it came from. So I. I did end up getting it from the library. So I am. I'm starting to read it soon, so I'll probably report back on that in the next episode. But also, I cannot forget to mention that I was very pleased to walk into the Hemingway House bookstore and find black wings. So he has no connection to black wings that I know of, but still, he has a connection to pencils, clearly enough that they would put black wings. And so I walked in all these awesome books. There are, like, the cheap pencils that I bought that I'm gonna send you guys because I love you guys. I want you to have cheap pencils. Yay. There were Blackwing 602s by the dozen. And then there were also Blackwing slate notebooks, the black ones with the MMX on the spine. So that was really exciting. And then there was a Hemingway notebook, which I know Johnny kind of bumped on when I sent that picture. And I've included that in the show notes.

Andy 1:02:05

That's a fun thing to kind of think about. Like, what would a Hemingway Blackwing be? Like, I wonder.

Tim 1:02:11

No eraser, which is, like, not a black wing.

Andy 1:02:15

Yeah.

Johnny 1:02:15

It would have a bottle opener on.

Tim 1:02:19

Would just have a knife on the end of it instead of an eraser.

Johnny 1:02:22

Fish hook. Yeah, fish hook clip.

Andy 1:02:26

Has a little clip. Little clip to hook it to your shotgun.

Tim 1:02:29

Yeah,

Johnny 1:02:33

I would have a fish hook.

Tim 1:02:34

You just stick it right in your chest, like. Oh, yeah. It's not meaning that on purpose, so really. And I say this with no sort of tongue in cheek to it. Key west is terrible, but the Hemingway house is worth it. So it's kind of like it. It was. It was. There's a whole other half of the island that has, like, resorts on it which I'll never be able to afford. And I'm sure those are great. But the section I was in, like, the downtown area, was. It was kind of rough. And there's. There's. It's a place that has a lot of good history, but it's just. Still, the history doesn't make it enjoyable, you know, besides the Hemingway part. And also there's a. There's a house that we didn't have a chance to visit, but Tennessee Williams lived there for, like, 30 years.

Andy 1:03:15

Huh.

Tim 1:03:15

So he has a house there as well, which we didn't. We didn't make it to.

Andy 1:03:18

Does it have a tin roof?

Johnny 1:03:20

It does not.

Tim 1:03:23

It does not.

Johnny 1:03:26

Oh, that was good.

Tim 1:03:28

Yeah. But, yeah, it was. It Was kind of cool to visit a character's home who I. I admire, but also, like, the older I get, the more conflicted I get about him as a person, you know, slightly problematic. I told you. Yeah, there's, there's. There are some of those red flags, like, pretty early on, but now, like, yeah, I told you that story about Scott Fitzgerald and how he was just like a terrible friend and all that, but he was I. There. There is a certain part of me that just has to separate a person's art from the person themselves. And there, There definitely is a threshold there, though. So I don't know. I don't know what to do with that. But it was. It was a special, special experience. I'm glad I got to do it. Postcards, Say again? Did you guys see my postcards?

Andy 1:04:13

Oh, no, not yet.

Tim 1:04:15

No postcards. Andy, yours is a very corny and very caddy, so excellent. You will enjoy that. But turns out.

Andy 1:04:24

Turns out that that Cat on the Tin Roof is actually one of Hemingway's cats.

Tim 1:04:28

A polydactyl. Polydactyl. Cat on a Tin Roof. It's a pretty good episode title. That's better than Semi Hex Cat, Hemingway Toilet. So, yeah, so that's. That's all I've got. So I was just. It was good to catch up with you guys and, and go over some pretty cool stuff that we've. We've. We barely missed out on talking about last time. Anything else you guys want to mention?

Andy 1:04:59

What do you think, Johnny?

Johnny 1:05:00

I will only plug. If you wanna. If you want to hate Hemingway, read the. The biography that came out like two, two and a half years ago by Mary Dearborn, who, like, obviously really hates Hemingway but still wrote a giant book about him. If you want to see, like, what a horrible jerk he was, read that. And then read Hemingway's Boat where he talks about how he basically killed the second wife. That's his theory. Like he made her go nuts. Or not. I mean, not mentally nuts. He made her physically get sick from the way he would treat her.

Tim 1:05:32

Oh, my God.

Johnny 1:05:34

Yeah, I still admire him very much. We're all flawed.

Andy 1:05:38

Yeah.

Tim 1:05:41

Oh, my gosh. That makes me feel really bummed out. But I.

Johnny 1:05:45

Sorry.

Tim 1:05:46

On that note, it's the truth, and I appreciate the truth, even when it is about people that I look up to. Anywho. So, yeah, I think we're done here. Johnny, where can people find you on the Internet?

Johnny 1:06:04

You can find me@pencilrevolution.com and on social media ensolution.

Andy 1:06:10

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Tim 1:06:21

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I think so. I think you're right.

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