← All Episodes
35
August 10, 2015
1 hr 18 min
Land of the Rising Pun: What Makes Japanese Pencils So Special
Johnny Andy Tim Caroline
13967
512
Episode Page →

This transcript was generated from an audio file by AI, and may contain inaccuracies.

Transcript

Johnny 0:00

Johnny took all the leads again.

Andy 0:20

Hello, and welcome to the erasable podcast, episode 35. I am your host for tonight, Andy Welfle from Wood Clinched. I'm joined by my two co hosts, Johnny Gamber and Tim Wasem. Hey, guys, how are you?

Tim 0:33

Hey.

Johnny 0:34

Fantastic. How are you?

Tim 0:35

Been a while. We're back.

Andy 0:36

We are back after Tim's solo career tonight, actually, we have a special guest who's going to be with us on for the. Going to be with us for the entire show. I think all of you probably know who she is because A, she's been on before and B, she's a pencil superstar. So let's welcome Carolyn Weaver. Hey, Caroline.

Caroline 0:58

Hi.

Tim 0:59

Yay.

Andy 1:01

So we just had a Tim on last week with Mike Dudek. And so we decided we did Flying slow. We tried to make up for that by adding one more person to the whole show today.

Tim 1:10

So, yeah, do that one more time to even it all out, I think.

Andy 1:13

So how's everything in New York, Caroline?

Caroline 1:16

Everything's good. Another. Another hot, steamy summer. It's getting pretty old, but yeah. Yeah.

Andy 1:24

Do you have air conditioning in the store?

Caroline 1:25

We do. We have one of those units that hangs above the door and it's been kind of leaky. It's really frustrating. I can't wait to not have to use it anymore.

Andy 1:34

Don't want to melt all the graphite.

Caroline 1:36

Yeah, definitely don't want to let that happen.

Johnny 1:39

Just think if they were pens and they got hot.

Andy 1:42

I bet wopecs just, like, melt under heat. They just get really limpid.

Caroline 1:47

Oh, yeah.

Johnny 1:48

Actually, I had some pencil shavings and a tea light recently, and I didn't realize there was some wopex in there until I smelled it.

Andy 1:56

Oh, man.

Johnny 1:56

And it doesn't melt as quickly as you think. It sort of sucked up the wax and burned for a long time and smelled really horribly, but it took some good fire to get it to melt.

Andy 2:09

Well, I know that things we do. The little dots in the Faber Castell 2000s. Yeah, those things get gross. Yeah, they just melt in the car.

Johnny 2:20

And yeah, the new ones were supposed to be okay, but they're not black. They're sort of like, I don't know, this milky gray color.

Andy 2:27

I haven't seen the new ones.

Johnny 2:29

Yeah, they're sharper and they work a lot better.

Andy 2:31

Yeah. Do you carry those?

Johnny 2:32

Plus, you know.

Caroline 2:33

Yeah, we have those. We have. We have all the. Well, pretty much all the versions of them. The black ones, the ones with the eraser, the ones without the eraser, the jumbo one, which we actually, now that I think about it, we do keep that in the window and it gets really hot there and nothing's melted yet. So I think that's a good sign if it's thicker all the time.

Andy 2:48

Yeah, good sign. All right, let's get into the tools of the trade. So, Caroline, I think that you know what the drill is here, but what are you drinking and what are you writing with tonight?

Caroline 3:01

I am. I thought I'd go with Japan theme. So I'm drinking a Hibiki 17 year single malt whiskey with a single ice cube. And I like it with a. With a drop of agave nectar or sometimes maple syrup. It kind of just like. Yeah. Makes it makes it a lot cleaner. And I'm writing with an old blaised out Ben Franklin 500. I've been really into old yellow school pencils and so this is my one from the past couple days.

Andy 3:32

That's cool. Yeah, those blythedales are really nice. I don't. I haven't used many of them, but the Ben Franklin is so great.

Caroline 3:39

Yeah, they're really nice. They're really dark.

Andy 3:40

Yeah.

Caroline 3:41

Really like this one.

Andy 3:43

Tim, how about you?

Tim 3:45

Well, I'm gonna sound a little trashy after that one. I'm drinking a Yingling Lager in a tall boy. So that's my. That's what I'm drinking. And I am writing with my trusty palomino hp. I've kind of like limited myself to this pencil exclusively as school starting just to like keep things simple. So yeah, I've been just carrying it with me all day long, so I just pulled it out of my pocket and here I am.

Andy 4:12

So from here on out, do we just say like, oh, and Tim's riding with pal?

Tim 4:16

Maybe not that bad, but for a couple of weeks, yeah.

Andy 4:19

How? School started already for you?

Tim 4:22

I had a half day with kids on Thursday and my tomorrow's my first full day.

Andy 4:26

Gotcha.

Tim 4:27

So the kids had a three day weekend. Teachers had to be there on Friday. But tomorrow we start just like full on full time.

Andy 4:36

Yeah.

Johnny 4:36

That's so early.

Tim 4:38

Yeah, we have to build in a lot of snow days because we don't know how to plow snow here in Tennessee.

Johnny 4:44

Just have to get some horses.

Andy 4:45

At least you guys have precipitation where you live.

Tim 4:49

Yeah. Yeah, because it would be so awful without it, right? Yeah, I guess. No, you're talking about this. I thought you were just making a snow reference. That sounds sensitive. You're talking about rain and drought. Yeah, there's me being a dick again.

Andy 5:03

No, no, it's all right.

Tim 5:04

I know what you mean. I know what you mean.

Johnny 5:06

Tim's getting hate mail from California.

Tim 5:09

Dear Tim was on behalf of California.

Andy 5:12

The drought is no laughing matter.

Tim 5:14

Insincerely California. Yeah.

Johnny 5:18

I'm drinking a Bullet and Bubbles, which is nothing funny. It's just Bullet, bourbon, San Pellegrino. I just like. If I can't make up the funny names, I'm going to name something simple.

Andy 5:29

I think Bullet and Bubbles is pretty great.

Johnny 5:31

Sounds like a weird band. Don't shoot the Giant boot and a monkey.

Tim 5:37

Because it kind of looks like Boulay.

Johnny 5:39

That even looks funny.

Andy 5:40

Boulay and Bubbles.

Johnny 5:42

I thought it was Bouleach until somebody said it at the liquor store and I felt like a moron.

Andy 5:46

I don't understand it either, because. So Bullet county in Kentucky is like, where it's made, but I think it's

Johnny 5:57

from a guy named Bullet who was from an outpost in New Orleans. So they have that whole frontier whiskey thing.

Andy 6:04

Okay.

Johnny 6:05

Really, really stupid.

Andy 6:06

Well, it was weird because I figured it was made there because it was spelled not like a, you know, a gun. Bullet. It was spelled B, U, L, L, I, T. The county. And then I. But then I realized Bullet, the whiskey and bourbon is spelled even different from that.

Johnny 6:18

Yeah, they. They contract their bourbon to someone in Kentucky. And their rye is made, I think, in Indiana. Indiana, not Kentucky. Their rye is vastly superior to their bourbon, as I'm figuring out the hard way.

Andy 6:31

Yeah.

Johnny 6:32

Yeah. And I'm writing with a Mitsubishi 4563 2B triangular pencil, which is super nice and super dark.

Andy 6:41

And where did you get it?

Johnny 6:43

I got it from Caroline.

Andy 6:44

Yay.

Caroline 6:45

Yay. Great choice. It's a good one.

Andy 6:48

And I am drinking a Sierra Nevada Summerfest. It's a crisp lager. It's a Czech style lager featuring slight malt sweetness, a spicy hop flavor, and the crisp finish you want on a warm summer day.

Johnny 7:02

Oh, that stuff's good. I've had that before.

Andy 7:04

It's the blue label. I can't drink regular Sierra Nevada because one time I drank some of it and then for actually, like, legitimately a different reason, I got really sick. And yeah, I just. The taste of the regular one, I just can't handle anymore. But. But this is different enough. It's really good, but it's still kind of hoppy. Like it. And I am writing with what we will get into with our pencil of the week, which is the mono. The Tombow mono KM KKS4B. It's a beautiful pencil that Caroline brought back from Japan. And we'll be talking about that today. In fact, should we do that before we get to the fresh points? Talk about the pencil of the weekend?

Tim 7:47

Sure.

Andy 7:47

Cool.

Tim 7:48

Sounds good.

Andy 7:49

So, yeah, we were trying to figure out what to cover and we were thinking about talking about the American made Ticonderogas, which we had a listener send us, which are pretty great. But I think we're going to save that for another time because this was just really good timing. Caroline went to Japan, which is what we're going to talk to her about later on today. And some of the things she brought back were these really beautiful tombow monos that are blue with a, with the standard like mono white band around it. But it has this like orange cap and it's just gorgeous. Everything's in Japanese except for taba mato and then it says KM KKS on it. So this is our pencil of the week and also Caroline's pencil of the month for August. Isn't that right, Caroline?

Caroline 8:35

Yep, that's right.

Andy 8:37

So can you tell us maybe a little bit about how. What the difference is between this and like the tombow monos that we can get around here?

Caroline 8:45

Well, this pencil is kind of a strange one. I had never seen this pencil before until I found it. And I found it in only one shop when I was in Japan. I didn't ever see it again. And then I did some research and realized that it's just kind of the unicorn of mono pencils. And it's a type of pencil that's really distinctly Japanese. It's pencils like this are made for practicing penmanship. And even on the box, they always recommend that you hold it at a 60 degree angle. I mean, to the table they have a little diagram also. It's hilarious. But yeah, they're really strange. I had a customer tell me the other day that they're also used for writing things repeatedly with the intent of remembering them. That's why they're so smooth and that's why they're so thick, so that you can just kind of be sloppy about it and just get it done. But this is a really unique pencil because it's really dark, it's really smooth, it's not as smudgy as it really should be for a 4B pencil.

Andy 9:53

Yeah, I noticed that.

Caroline 9:55

Yeah, it's nice. It's a lot like the Mitsubishi penmanship pencil. The one that comes in triangular and hex with the super thick core that comes in 4B and 6. I feel like that one's a little Less smudgy and has slightly better point retention. But I really like the way that this one looks and the way that it writes. It's just really wonderful.

Andy 10:14

How. How many of these did you get when you were in Japan? Did you just, like, pick up as many dozen as your suitcase could handle?

Caroline 10:21

Yeah, I did that, and then I ended up still needing more. We have a lot of subscribers now. We have, I think, as of last count the other day, we have almost 250 subscribers to our Pencil the Month club. So it's becoming increasingly hard to pick unique pencils because I have to find a ton of them. But, yeah, I bought a bunch of these in Japan, and then I have a contact over there who tracks things down for me and sends them over, so I need a little bit of help with that. But we will be stocking them in the shop soon. This week we'll have them in the shop and online so everybody can try it. It's really, really just a great pencil. It's really cool looking, too. I don't really know of any pencils that are this color combo with the yellow on the end.

Andy 11:00

Okay. I guess under this light, it kind of looks orange, but I guess it's like a kind of a dark, creamy Y. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Johnny 11:08

The color of my undergrad institution.

Andy 11:10

Yeah, yeah, it's. It's gorgeous. I saw. Oh, I can't remember maybe on Caroline, maybe it was on your Instagram feed, but I saw this pencil a while before I got it in the mail, and, yeah, just gorgeous. I think a plus for aesthetics alone, I think. But, yeah, as she said, It's a. It's a 4B and it is definitely less smudgy than other 4Bs that I've used. So I think it's amazing for that. That's really great. Tim, what did you think about this pencil?

Tim 11:42

Yeah, I was actually, when it was sent to us, Caroline, when you sent it, you mentioned in the note that it was similar to the penmanship. And so I immediately, like, I couldn't help but compare it to that, like, as I was using it. And I thought that was, I mean, a really good. Really good comparison. But I think. I think I still like the penmanship, like, a little bit. You know, a step above it. There's something. Something about. It's little. I mean, they're basically the same pencil, but just that big. I just love the look of the. I'm a sucker for Burgundies and dark reds and stuff. And so I just think it looks. The penmanship looks awesome. And the weird, the weird burgundy. And is it. It's burgundy and navy blue and gold. It's just this like weird combo colors I just love, but I do I mono. And it's the big white stripe has this big just like striking white stripe on it that you don't really see that look on pencils very often. Like this big bold stripe, especially with that big of a contrast. And so it looks just unlike anything else I've seen. Because usually I feel like the design on pencils these days and even like the high end, whatever you call them, like boutique pencils is they're usually pretty streamlined and kind of subtle, you know.

Andy 13:03

Yeah.

Tim 13:03

But this one is very unabashedly like blue, yellow, big white line, like. Yeah. And I think it looks awesome.

Andy 13:11

Yeah.

Tim 13:11

So, yeah, I was a fan. I was really excited about it.

Andy 13:14

Well, and especially compared to the black and white monos that we. That we get over here, you know, even even though that has a stripe on it, it's still very much like it's black and white and it's mono. It's like mono color almost. And just the fact that it comes in this bright, rich blue is just so great.

Tim 13:33

Yeah, that's a great blue color.

Andy 13:35

Yeah, I guess. Yeah.

Tim 13:36

Like a summer sky blue kind of. Which is.

Andy 13:39

Yeah, it's great. It's interesting you say you're such a big fan of the Burgundy's and stuff because I think that's. I like this color scheme a lot better than the Burgundy's. Like, that's the one thing with like the Baron fig branding that I'm not a big fan of. Is that like wine color that they have.

Tim 13:55

Oh, yeah. So yeah, I have like in my. My super secret, shameful fountain pen life, I.

Johnny 14:03

What?

Andy 14:04

How dare you, sir?

Johnny 14:06

Wtf?

Tim 14:07

Yeah, like almost all of my pens have some sort of dark red burgundy wine colored ink in them. Like almost all of them. That's just like. Yeah, it's just in my wheelhouse. Just what I like.

Andy 14:18

That's cool. He likes what you like.

Tim 14:20

It likes what I like.

Andy 14:22

Yeah. So Johnny, what about you? We talked a little bit about it.

Johnny 14:28

Well, I'm going to give this an A. First of all because it's the colors of my undergraduate alma mater, which is always awesome, and the cub Scouts. But what I liked about this pencil was that the color scheme is so basic and probably and its home country, there's nothing very special about it, but sort of like the Norris to people in the U.S. you're like, wow, that's a basic. You Know, sort of crappy pencil you get at the grocery store. But it's so cool to us because we don't have pencils this color.

Andy 14:57

Yeah.

Johnny 14:58

So the. The yellow dip on the end just kind of, I don't know, set it off as fancy to me.

Andy 15:03

That's why I like the. Yeah. The Norris is just because that. That red just really offsets the yellow and the black. So I'm just like. Somebody went. Somebody came along and said, let's put a yellow dip on the end of this. And that's awesome.

Johnny 15:16

Ding, ding, ding.

Andy 15:17

Caroline, do they have another. Other hardnesses besides 4b?

Caroline 15:21

It comes in 6b also, which I have not. I've not seen it and I haven't tried it, but. Yeah, that might be a little bit too soft. I don't know.

Andy 15:28

Does it look different than this one?

Caroline 15:30

No, it looks exactly the same.

Andy 15:32

That's cool. Yeah. So Johnny gave an A. I'm gonna give it an A plus just because it's super unique and really nice. Tim, what about you?

Tim 15:43

I give it a solid. A solid A. I enjoy it.

Johnny 15:46

Yeah.

Tim 15:46

I tried to give it a grade just based on the look and performance because I know that they're not easy to come by. It's like I have trouble thinking about it because I am so obsessive that if I like something, I want to have 100 of them just so that I don't ever run out of them. And so it scares me. But if I just focus on the performance of it and the look of it. I loved it. I thought I gave it an A.

Andy 16:15

That's awesome. And Carolyn, I know you're a little biased, but. No, just kidding. How about you? What kind of grade would you give it?

Caroline 16:22

I think it deserves an A. Yeah. Yeah. I still. If I could take the. The graphite and the Mitsubishi penmanship and put it inside this pencil, that would be like the perfect pencil. But, yeah, I do really love it.

Andy 16:36

Somebody needs to make a. Like a graphite core extractor for a pencil.

Tim 16:43

Sounds super practical.

Johnny 16:43

Being modern thorough.

Andy 16:45

Les is our pencil. MacGyver, where'd the lead in my pencil go?

Johnny 16:51

After practical jokes in grade school.

Andy 16:53

Yeah.

Johnny 16:53

Sharpen your pencils class. Oh, no. Johnny took all the leads again. I'm gonna make one of those and then go back in time and have a lot of fun with Sister Theresa Mary.

Andy 17:07

Sister Theresa Mary.

Johnny 17:09

I'm not even making that up.

Andy 17:10

Hey, my. My first grade teacher was Sister Gertrude Ann, so. Sister Mary Gertrude Ann. So I hear you.

Caroline 17:20

Cool.

Tim 17:20

Let's.

Andy 17:20

Let's get on to FreshPoints. And Caroline, you are guest. So. So please start us off.

Caroline 17:28

Well, I did something that never happens, given that I live in Manhattan. I went to Target today. This is a really big deal, too. I went all the way up to visit a friend who just moved a block away from the Harlem Target.

Andy 17:43

Do they not have Targets Midtown?

Caroline 17:45

No, we have one in Harlem on, like, it's 100 and something street. And then we have one in Brooklyn. That's terrible.

Andy 17:52

Yeah. In San Francisco, we have two in the city center.

Caroline 17:57

Oh, yeah, Target Envy. I'm jealous. I love Target. And Caitlin, if anybody doesn't know Caitlin, Caitlin is deputy pencil lady in the shop. Caitlin lives in Jersey City and goes to Target all the time and has found so much cool pencil stuff for us for kind of our back to school setup. In the store, she found these buckets that. These, like little metal buckets that we filled with erasers that are painted to be like a pencil. They're really subtle and really cute. But I was really excited to buy the back to school Ticonderogas in those in the fun colors, but was very disappointed to see that none of them are centered. They'll just look nice in my pencil cup, I guess. It's been a long time since I bought. Since I bought Ticonderogas in a store that weren't really old. So of course I'm disappointed.

Andy 18:47

Did you get the ones that are three different pinks?

Caroline 18:50

Yeah, I did.

Andy 18:51

Yeah. Those look cool.

Caroline 18:53

They look really cool. I just, I. I recently also found on ebay these. A box of the millennium Ticonderogas.

Tim 19:02

Oh, those were before they were called black.

Caroline 19:05

Yeah, they're really awesome. I was really excited to get those. But, yeah, it's been a. It's been a really Ticonderoga week in the store. We've had lots of fun, vintage Ticonderoga things arrive. And we've also been talking about it a lot because we are planning an event that we're doing next month that I'm really excited about that's going to be at the Greenwood Cemetery in Brooklyn, which is where Eberhard Faber is buried. And we were. We had a customer in the shop a couple months ago who I was just talking to, and she told me that she's the events coordinator there and that she knows that Eberhard Faber's buried there. And we kind of joked about doing an event and now we're actually doing it. And while she was kind of working on the program, one of her colleagues told her that Joseph Dixon's also buried there.

Andy 19:55

What?

Caroline 19:56

Yeah, they're both buried in the same cemetery. So we're on a Sunday afternoon, we're doing. I'm doing a talk in the chapel at the cemetery and then we're doing a trolley ride up to Eberhard Faber's grave and we're going to do a grave rubbing.

Tim 20:10

I think we're blowing my mind right now.

Caroline 20:11

Yeah, it's going to be crazy. I think we're going to try to do a grave rubbing in a. In an original Blackwing 602.

Andy 20:20

She's saying grave rubbing, guys. Not rotting.

Caroline 20:24

Yeah.

Tim 20:25

Just to clarify. Oh, my gosh. This needs to. You need to make a documentary. Like, you need to get somebody with a camera to like, film this because it's just like there's too much going on there for it not to be filmed.

Caroline 20:36

I think we will. We will document it heavily. We're taking all four of us in the shop, are going. We're just closing the shop for the day. We're just going to put a sign on the door that says meet us at the cemetery with the address and

Tim 20:50

meet us at the cemetery.

Caroline 20:51

Hopefully. Hopefully people won't be too mad at us.

Tim 20:53

But the title of the documentary.

Caroline 20:57

No, we were. We couldn't decide who was going to work that day because everybody wanted to come. So we're all going.

Andy 21:02

That's awesome.

Tim 21:03

Yeah, it's a good choice. It makes me think, like, I like to imagine that one of them decided to be buried there and the other one did it just to, like, spite the other one. Just like, just to match them. Like, well, I'm going to get buried there too.

Johnny 21:16

Compare the size of their gravestones.

Tim 21:18

Well, yeah, well. And then.

Andy 21:20

Aw. Favorite fabric came over and demanded to be buried there as well. Cool. So. So yeah, there's. There's other. Carolyn, have you ever used the Ub pencils from Target?

Caroline 21:35

No. I saw them today. I had never seen them before. I opened the box and looked at them, but then didn't buy them because they looked kind of terrible.

Andy 21:42

Yeah, they're pretty. Well, they're better than you would think. But. But yeah, still, I mean, nothing like a tombow or. Or the expectation of a Ticonderoga. Even though it might actually be better than these Ticonderogas

Caroline 21:58

to buy those on my next adventure uptown.

Andy 22:00

Yeah, I. I really love the pencil Back to school swag or merchant. What do they call them? Like the signage they have at Target right now?

Caroline 22:09

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Andy 22:10

There's one.

Johnny 22:11

Somebody gave me a dirty look for photographing them.

Tim 22:14

You do a boy.

Johnny 22:15

Leave me alone.

Andy 22:16

I wish. One of my biggest regrets is that I had to leave behind my old back to school shop pencil just because it wouldn't. Wouldn't be able to come with me to. To fit in this space now. Cool. Tim, how about you?

Tim 22:33

Well, first thing I was going to mention is that this coming weekend is the D.C. pen show, which I am officially 100% going to be there for the D.C. ben Show. And so I got inspired. Well, I should preface this by saying that like a week ago, as school stuff was starting, I deleted Twitter and every social aspect on the planet from my phone just to like stay focused. But I put Twitter back on my phone today because I want to hear from anyone out there who's possibly who's listening, who might be at the show because, you know, there are always these like, you know, like pen addicts doing a meetup, stuff like that. But I want to get a like anti pen meetup or not really, but like a, like an anti show meetup or like the anti meetup, which basically people from the erasable community who are going to be at the show who want to get together at some point on Saturday. So I'm going to be there from. I'm gonna leave from Johnson City really early Saturday morning and I'll be there all day Saturday and then I'll be there for Sunday morning and then we'll be coming back that night. So if you're going to the DC Pen show and you want to meet up, I would love to meet anybody who might possibly be in the area. So just get in touch with me on Twitter imwassum and we'll try to work something out, try to find a time where we can all meet up. Johnny, are you gonna be able to come?

Johnny 23:59

Hell yes.

Tim 24:00

Yes.

Andy 24:01

I'm so jealous.

Johnny 24:01

I've had T shirts printed that say really bad things about pens and ink. And I got them all made in small, so it'd be really funny.

Andy 24:13

Johnny's gonna wear a crop top.

Johnny 24:15

It's more than a crop top.

Tim 24:18

Tube top.

Andy 24:20

Carolyn, have you ever thought about doing a. Doing a pin show?

Caroline 24:24

People ask me that all the time. I really had never thought about it until people started mentioning it to me. Maybe. Maybe. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know which one I'd go to either. I'd have to think about that. I think I could be convinced.

Tim 24:39

Yeah, I know there's one in. I want to say there's one in. I can't remember if it's. It's in Brooklyn or Manhattan, there's. I know it's one of those two that Ed Jelly went to a couple years ago. It's like a real small one. But the DC show is the. I know. It's the biggest in the country. It might be one of the biggest in the world. Like, biggest pen shows. And it's just like a huge deal.

Andy 25:05

It's a super show.

Tim 25:06

Yeah. And it's enormous. So I think. And like, when I think about it, makes total sense to me for. If you're ever interested in doing that, to go to the show, like from the last episode, talking with Mike about how in a lot of ways, fountain pen minded people and pencil minded people sort of have the same part missing in their brain. So I feel like it would go at least be fun, but it might go really well.

Caroline 25:33

Yeah, I think it'd be so much fun.

Johnny 25:36

This says it is the largest pen event in the world. Yeah, that's a hell of a claim.

Andy 25:43

So jealous. There's a San Francisco pen show that I'm going to try to go to at the end of the month, but I'm sure it's not as large as this.

Johnny 25:51

Oh, there's a cursive logic seminar.

Tim 25:53

Interesting. Yeah. So that was. That was the first thing I was going to mention. Just if you're going to be at the pen show in D.C. this weekend, I will be there Saturday and like Sunday morning and then be coming back to Johnson City on Sunday. So if you're going to be there, get in touch with me on Twitter timwassom. And I would love to meet anyone who might be there. If there's one or two of you who will be there, let me know because I want to meet you. And Johnny will be there at some point on Saturday, so we'll try to coordinate it so that we're both there. And maybe we can go out for lunch or meet up for beers or something in the afternoon. Yeah, be a good time.

Johnny 26:29

I won't have to drive home.

Tim 26:33

Your DD is Amtrak.

Johnny 26:34

Yeah.

Andy 26:35

But you're going to have to be responsible for getting him back to the Amtrak station in five minutes before it leaves.

Johnny 26:40

I finally learned how to use Uber.

Tim 26:42

I'll get Brad to do that.

Andy 26:45

We were. When Johnny and I were in New York and meeting with Caroline and Caitlin, we kept looking at our watches and like, you probably want to get there. And he's like, no, let's have another beer.

Johnny 26:59

I didn't know such a.

Andy 27:00

No, you didn't.

Johnny 27:02

I said, let's Meditate more.

Tim 27:03

Yeah, I am beyond excited for this because I have a hotel room which is even better than a dd. So.

Andy 27:10

Yeah, hotel party at Wallace.

Tim 27:13

Yeah. Yeah, for sure. Besides that, the only other thing I was going to mention is that every school year I always make an order with pencils.com on a. Like a bulk order, which it doesn't necessarily need to be pencils.com, but I usually do pencils.com because they take purchase orders and I use school money, like my classroom money to do this, to get pencils to supply my kids who need them or who like, you know, forget them. And I always, I think I've definitely proven by now that using good pencils and not like those abysmal pieces of crap from Office Depot, like the unmarked like things using good pencils, they last longer. The kids keep them longer. It saves you money in the long run. It's just a good thing. And they, and they think it's like special because they're like, whoa, the heck is this?

Andy 28:03

You know, this pencil isn't nasty to write with.

Tim 28:05

Right. So what I was going to ask. Well, no, that's actually what I was going to ask is I was trying to get input on what I should look for my. I want to get. I mean, basically I'm. I want to designate like no more than $30 to buying a large number of pencils that I'm going to be giving away for the year. So any input, it doesn't have to be pencils.com. that was just kind of what I have used in the past because they take purchase orders. But I'm not like totally limited to that. But like what pencil that you know of that can be bought in large amounts and is kind of in that semi cheap area. What about the Golden Bear, would you recommend? Yeah, that's at the top of the list. I've got. Yeah, I was thinking about that. I have, I have like two dozen of those that I have right now to give them for the first couple weeks. I thought about that. I thought about the forest choice, but I was kind of trying to think. So those two are obvious choices for me. Like I had thought of those and was just wondering if there's anything kind of out of the box that you, you all could think of that I could find in bulk. Like large, large amounts that wouldn't be expensive.

Johnny 29:18

All of the Ticonderoga renews that your target has, they're pretty cheap and really nice.

Tim 29:26

Let's see. So if I had.

Johnny 29:28

I think we have a.

Tim 29:30

If I Had. Hang on. This is me stalling while I get a calculator because I'm an English teacher. Math. Huh. So with that, I could. I could get 12 dozen. Huh.

Johnny 29:46

Well, they only come in a 10 box.

Tim 29:49

Well, okay. 12 packs. I can get 12 packs. That's still 100 pencils.

Andy 29:54

Yeah.

Tim 29:55

Because I have to factor some things in here because this is, like, pencil tizing. Right. I'm, like, getting these kids to use good pencils, so they need to see it and be like, whoa, cool.

Johnny 30:03

Yeah, they're unfinished.

Tim 30:05

I want to keep using. I'm gonna go home and Google this. Like, that's the kind of thing I want to get, which. So, yeah, that's a good option. I didn't even think about that as a feasible option. Just buying. I could buy 12 boxes of renews.

Andy 30:18

Any ideas? Caroline?

Caroline 30:20

I really like the. The Tri Rex. The regular. Just the regular sized one with an eraser.

Andy 30:26

Oh, yeah.

Tim 30:27

Okay.

Caroline 30:28

I love that one for school. That's definitely one of my top recommendations. That eraser is really not terrible. It's pretty good. And it's. It's really comfortable to hold because it's that weird bevel triangle. And for being a really. For being a really inexpensive pencil, I think that one's pretty top notch.

Tim 30:45

That's a good idea. I think a triangular pencil could be a really cool, odd thing that they would get excited about. Like, something to make it a little different so that it didn't just kind of disappear. Like, they just, like, wouldn't even think about it. But if it was, like a. An interesting shape or something about it that was different, they would.

Andy 31:03

Who makes the Tri Rex? Is that J.R. moon?

Caroline 31:05

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Andy 31:06

I have one somewhere, but I haven't really ever used it. Can you get it from them in bulk? I mean.

Caroline 31:14

Yeah, I could get them for you.

Tim 31:16

Yeah, I could get them for you.

Caroline 31:17

We could do that.

Tim 31:22

Yeah.

Andy 31:23

That's awesome.

Tim 31:24

That's a good option. I like that. Just something a little, like, out of the box that they wouldn't ever see. Like, the kids in my area of the country and like, this town that I live in, maybe one of them in the next 50 years would come across one of those. Like, that just, like, wouldn't naturally happen, but if I planted them, then these days, like, that's why I think about, like, these kids trying something like this, a golden bear or whatever it is. And then it's happened before where I, like, had a kid in my writers group who I handed him a black wing and he wrote with it, and then Three weeks later he showed up in class with a, you know, a pearl or something like that. Like, hey.

Johnny 32:03

Gotcha.

Tim 32:07

Okay, those are some good options.

Andy 32:08

We should crowdsource this too. If anybody in the group has any suggestions.

Tim 32:12

Yeah, yeah, for sure.

Andy 32:13

So this is probably a good time to do the plug real quick. If you are not a member of our Facebook group, come and join us. It's at facebook.com groups erasable. Or if you'd rather not do that, you can also comment on this episode, which is@ erasable US35.

Johnny 32:32

Cool.

Andy 32:34

Is that all of your fresh points, Tim?

Tim 32:35

Yep, that's all I got.

Johnny 32:36

Cool.

Andy 32:37

How about you, Johnny?

Johnny 32:39

Well, in case I sound different, that's because I'm in a different place. I finally moved and finally unpacked, which is cool. So I learned something as a pencil hoarder and that's don't hoard pencils. Because it took me about 12 hours to organize my pencils and then you know, not so long to pack them. Many trips up the steps at my new old apartment with no elevator to move them and then many, many hours unloading them into that weird dresser that I keep them in. So, yeah, if you see a pencil and you like it, you think I need 10 dozen. No, you don't need 10 dozen. They're just gonna sit. So I sort of missed pencil revolutions 10 year anniversary because I was sort of, you know, not sitting down ever. So that happened, which was pretty interesting.

Andy 33:29

That is awesome.

Johnny 33:30

So I've got a lot of giveaways coming up. So one of the good things about packing is I realized I have a ton of pencils and now I know where everything is. So I've packed up some giveaways for stateside folks and I'm going to do a big box of stuff that's hard to get outside of the US so that I can do an international one. Probably going to regret that. The shipping is probably going to be

Tim 33:51

like 50 bucks, but whatever.

Andy 33:52

You had a really good, good kind of tribute by Woodchuck on his blog.

Johnny 33:59

Yeah, I forgot. He's the other blog that's 10 years old and pencil talk would be very soon. But sadly it is gone.

Andy 34:06

That is so sad.

Johnny 34:07

Every time I look at the link, I don't want to take it down. I finally took it down because it's teasing. Hey, here's this great site. Doesn't exist.

Andy 34:14

Just wish we, we should have done something to try to like keep it up.

Johnny 34:18

Yeah, I think, I think that Matthias talked to me about mirroring it.

Andy 34:22

That's Good.

Johnny 34:23

So I don't. I don't know whatever happened with that. To talk to Mr. Matthias.

Andy 34:26

Yeah.

Johnny 34:27

Who's one of the best friends of the show ever.

Tim 34:30

He's so cool.

Johnny 34:33

On a positive note, Eric from our Facebook group. Another plug for our Facebook group proposed. Apparently in the fountain pen community, all those crazies can't keep themselves using six pens a month, so they pick six pens a month to use crazies.

Tim 34:52

Fewer than six pencils a day, Johnny.

Johnny 34:58

Anyway, usually I use less than six. I'm trying to make myself use up some of the things in my stash. They have, like, I pick up a box of pencils. They've all been sharpened three times, but there are 50 of them in there. I'm like, yeah, I keep finding like, you know, the pencil box or the pencil cup of pencils in use, and that itself has grown to like 200 pencils that are. I'm currently using. And that's. That's stupid. But Eric proposed that some folks pick six. And just for the month of August, we used those six pencils. So I'm sticking with it. And I put them on Facebook. I picked the Vopex, of course, The Renu, the Blackwing 725 from Caroline's shop. The Bugle from Musgrave, which is my reading pencil. The Mustetambo 8900 HP. And they have really cool Mitsukishi Triangular 2P. And I realized when I did it that three of them are green. Three of the six. So summertime thoughts.

Andy 35:57

You know, we should. I should think about that and try to come up with something for next time because I don't even know. I don't even know.

Johnny 36:05

I just grabbed like, the six I just used and like, look, this is out of hand. I'm gonna do this pencil noise with me.

Tim 36:11

I would just do the. I would just use my top five from our site. Like, that's probably where I started the first time I did it. That's kind of what I'm doing anyways. I guess that's kind of why I did it. Yeah.

Johnny 36:23

I only have two for my top five that are in there. And which one was it? There was one that I just sort of wanted to use more. The Bugle. I really like it, but I found myself not using it that much for no good reason.

Tim 36:35

Just. I don't know.

Johnny 36:36

I never reached for it. So I've been using that a lot. And it's really cool. It's. It's. I think I sent you guys one. It's round and clear, lacquered. And it just looks like what you imagine a thorough pencil would look like.

Andy 36:45

Yeah, yeah.

Johnny 36:47

It's like a little scratchy. In a good way.

Andy 36:49

Yeah.

Johnny 36:50

So, yeah. And plus, I think it was like a quarter. Something Caroline could say because I bought it at her shop.

Caroline 36:55

Yeah, that's right. I love, love the design of that one. It has two tiny little bugles painted on it. It's adorable.

Johnny 37:03

I did go to New York and buy more because I gave most of mine away. You know, everybody likes a natural pencil. Oh, that's really cool. Can I have it? Yeah, it's a quarter. You can have it. Like, can I have that rare European one?

Tim 37:16

No.

Johnny 37:17

Spectre Hand. So also the Baron Fig Work Play was a really cool book that just came out recently that I think there's been long enough time that Andy and I have been on the podcast that it sort of came out and sold out in that time, if I'm right. Is that right?

Andy 37:32

Yeah, we talked about it in episode 33.

Johnny 37:36

Yeah. I finally reviewed it and went to find the link and then it was sold out and I felt like a jerk. Hey, here's this awesome notebook. Can't buy it.

Andy 37:45

Did you try it out, Johnny? Yeah, I like it a lot.

Johnny 37:49

I'm a big fan of their dot grid in general. It's perfectly spaced.

Andy 37:52

Yeah. I'm interested to know what you're kind of using the split the spread for.

Johnny 37:58

Well, in my would be life, I always wanted to write children's books. So I'm creating really weird children's characters like Anxiety Bear.

Tim 38:13

Anxiety Bear?

Johnny 38:15

Yeah, A travel bound animal just. Just called Pig. And I think I mentioned before the character base.

Andy 38:20

Yeah.

Johnny 38:21

There's the guy called I don't bother nobody. That's my old neighbor, the racist guy who actually was on the verge of tears as we were moving.

Andy 38:30

Oh, who am I going to be racist with now?

Tim 38:32

I don't understand why you. Why you're moving. I don't bother nobody.

Caroline 38:36

You're.

Tim 38:36

You're strong.

Johnny 38:37

You're strong guy.

Tim 38:38

You're strong guy.

Johnny 38:39

Yes. That's because I move a lot and I have a lot of books. Yeah. Anyway, that's a bit. If you can find one somewhere. It's a really cool book. I would give mine up, but I'm not because I like it.

Tim 38:54

Yeah.

Johnny 38:55

Yeah. That's about all I've got tonight. I'm hogging the show.

Andy 38:58

No problem. Mine, I have three things and they're all kind of similar, kind of related. They're all kind of paper based and they're all small little independent enterprises that are just trying to get started or have just started, which is kind of cool. First one I was going to talk about is it's a Kickstarter coming up. Think I want to say in the next week or two. I just started talking to this guy through email who's running it. It's called the book block. Did you guys, did you guys get the email I forwarded you about this?

Johnny 39:31

Yeah, yeah. We never really talked about it.

Andy 39:34

Yeah, it's. It's interesting. It's a. They're. They use the word bespoke which I think is a kind of a silly buzzword. But they're. They're basically are trying to figure out how to take like a Moleskine style notebook and allow you to do a high res print of whatever you want on the COVID So that's where the Bespoke comes in. They're going to be doing a Kickstarter where basically for I want to say it's like $12, you can customize the paper inside, the color of the ribbon and the elastic band and then put a just full color if you want graphic on the front and the back. Full bleed. Looks really cool. I'm going to try to do a review sample or something like that. I cannot decide what to do. I was thinking about something to do with our erasable logo, but I have no idea. Do you guys have any ideas?

Johnny 40:29

Yeah, we should pick the photos of us from the website.

Andy 40:32

Oh yeah, that would be fun.

Johnny 40:33

That would be creepy as hell.

Tim 40:36

You sleeping on that notebook.

Andy 40:39

You know, I'm actually sleeping. You know, has amazing photos on her website. Is Caroline you and your, your staff?

Caroline 40:47

Oh yeah.

Andy 40:48

Those photos are so good.

Caroline 40:50

We try really hard. I am not very good at those things. It's taken me a long time to figure it out. I'm so bad at it.

Andy 40:56

But I love the picture of you. It's like somebody just told a really bad joke and you're kind of face palming.

Caroline 41:03

Yeah, no, I'm the least photogenic person in the universe. I can't do photos and Caitlin convinced me that it was okay to just not have my face in it at. So that's what we went with. Figure like most people who even read that blog probably know what I look like anyway. They don't need to know what I look like.

Andy 41:18

Yeah.

Caroline 41:19

Yeah.

Andy 41:20

So. So yeah, that's the book block. The website is not up and the Kickstarter is not live yet. So I'll just have a link. Well, I mean the website is up. It has a big. Just countdown. I'll link to that just so you can see some examples of what these notebooks might look like. And this is all speculative. I guess when you go into a Kickstarter, you never know exactly what it's going to be. But, yeah, it looks. It looks pretty cool. I also want to talk about the Cheshire paper company. This is somebody I started talking to on Twitter. Adana is her name, and she is trying to create her perfect pad of paper. In fact, I hear Johnny and Tim, I have some here for you guys. I need to mail you. They're really cool. These are super, super prototypes. The back cardboard is really flimsy and the paper only has, like, one side lined. But it's. But it's. It's pretty cool. It's. It's called the Brainstormer Notepad from the Cheshire paper company. Has this, like, kind of purple. Oh, what do you call it? The top that holds the paper onto the cardboard. The binding. Sorry, there's a purple binding. It has lines on it, but it also has. In between the lines, it has a dot grid, and then there are a few, like, little tiny hashes on the lines. So it's. It looks like it's a little bit of all three. A little bit of grid, a little bit of dot grid, a little bit of line. Oh, the diagonal lines of an isometric grid. That's what it is. I'm reading her website right now. Yeah. So it kind of has a little bit of a slant to it.

Johnny 42:59

Oh, I see. That's cool.

Andy 43:00

Yeah.

Johnny 43:03

Dotted.

Tim 43:03

College rule.

Andy 43:04

Yeah.

Caroline 43:04

Interesting.

Andy 43:05

So she just. Just got done with a run of them and she sent a few out for samples, so I'll get some to you. But, yeah, it's pretty nice. She's super interesting to talk to too. She. You should kind of have her tell her story one day on the show or something. That'd be fun.

Johnny 43:20

I noticed in this photo she doesn't have a Mac, which I appreciate. Just say Windows, though.

Tim 43:28

Yeah.

Andy 43:30

And then finally somebody in the group. Vito. Grippy.

Tim 43:35

Grippy.

Andy 43:36

G, R, I, P, P, I. I'm gonna say greepy because it sounds better than grippy, but who knows? Sorry, Vito. If I get that wrong, his thing is something that's a little less certain to me. Like, I'm not quite sure what he's doing, but he's trying to start up something called the Story supply company. And it seems like he's trying to source different office supplies or art supplies, writing supplies to send to kids. And it Seems like what it is. If you purchase a kit of supplies here, they're also giving one to an underprivileged child. It looks like they're partnering with 826 Valencia and 826 Boston, D.C. and LA too. Valencia is the one I'm familiar with. Just a cool, really unique education nonprofit located in San Francisco and other cities as well. They're always.

Tim 44:32

Dave Eggers.

Andy 44:33

They. What?

Tim 44:35

I just said. Yeah, Dave Eggers.

Andy 44:36

Yeah. Yeah, it's really cool. They. I know the one here in San Francisco is pirate themed and I think the LA one is maybe like time travel themed.

Caroline 44:46

Oh, yeah.

Tim 44:46

And there's a. There's a superhero one.

Andy 44:48

Yes, superhero and a spy.

Tim 44:49

Kids can. Kids can put on like a cape and stand above, like a jet of fans. Like, so they stand above it. Like their cape flaps up behind them and they get their picture taken.

Andy 44:58

That's awesome.

Tim 44:59

Yeah.

Andy 45:00

Yeah. So I'm not entirely sure what these supplies are going to consist of, but I think that it sounds like he's making some pocket notebooks to kind of give it a start, to kick it off. It seems a little bit like you guys. Are you familiar with Rad and Hungry? Yep. Yeah. It seems like maybe a little bit like what hen's doing there except for kids or for like storytelling. So that link is also in the

Tim 45:29

show notes storysupplyco.com I'm dying for that to start. It's a cool idea and I think when it. I think it's a really cool idea. I think they sort of jumped the gun, like announced it so early. And as soon as I saw it, I was like, whoa, that's cool. And then it's just been kind of a while because they're still working on getting it started. I was really excited about it. I mean, I'm still excited about it, but I think I'm just like anxious for it to launch.

Andy 45:54

Yeah. And I can't remember quite what he's doing. I think it was maybe like a Kickstarter. Yeah. So that'll be cool when that gets started. There's some. Just some fun, like just grassroots stationary and office pillai initiatives getting started. So, yeah, that's. That's all I had for the. For freshpoints. Should we get into the main topic?

Tim 46:19

Let's do it.

Andy 46:21

For those of you just joining us, which seems weird because this is not a live broadcast. We have.

Tim 46:28

Those of you who started at the 50 minute mark.

Andy 46:30

Right. What's wrong with you? Go back and listen to the rest. We have Caroline Weaver on with us, who we had on in a previous episode. She is the creator and proprietor of CW Pencil Enterprise, which is a wonderful pencil online shop as well as a physical location in the Lower east side in Manhattan, which I have been to and Johnny has been to. Johnny's been there how many times?

Johnny 46:55

Three times. Three so far.

Andy 46:57

And she recently took a trip to Japan and I was hoping she wrote a series of blog posts, which we have a link to in the show. Notes for were super great. But, Caroline, we were just kind of hoping you could tell us a little bit about your trip and also the state of pencils in Japan as compared to. As compared to here.

Caroline 47:14

Yeah, it's. It's really, really different. I. Yeah, yeah. So I. The reason why I went was for the International Stationery and Office Products trade show, which is massive. It's just this huge trade show where they have. They have vendors from all over Asia. And I kind of. I kind of just. When I first started my business, I kind of just googled stationary trade shows and just made a list of all the ones I came across. And this one, there was. There's almost no information online in English at least, about. About this trade show. And I. I just kind of thought, oh, it's a. It's a good excuse to go to Japan and maybe try to find some things. So I just did it. And yeah, it was. It was really strange. I had to have an interpreter because none of these businesses, most of the representatives from these businesses, none of them spoke English. And so I had an interpreter with me the whole time I was there. And we went to this trade show and saw so much washi tape. There was just washi tape everywhere.

Tim 48:17

Oh, wow.

Caroline 48:18

I really, really got obsessed and really wish somebody would open a washi tape store next to mine. That'd be awesome.

Andy 48:25

I have some robot washi tape. That's pretty great.

Caroline 48:28

Oh, that does sound great.

Johnny 48:29

Is it washi tape with robots or does it perform your bidding like a robot?

Andy 48:34

No, you use it on your robots.

Johnny 48:36

Oh, man.

Tim 48:38

Robot repair tape.

Andy 48:41

It has little robots on it. It's pretty cool.

Tim 48:44

I will sharpen your pencils.

Caroline 48:50

It was just really distracting seeing the washi tape everywhere. I couldn't handle it. But we. I met. Met a bunch of pencil. Bunch of pencil people who I hadn't been able to get a hold of. And I just kind of thought forever. I thought, like, I'm emailing these companies and no one's replying. Are they trying to ignore me? Or whatever? And then I realized that it really honestly is just a language thing that they just often don't. Or maybe I write really confusing emails. That's probably a lot to do with it. But it was just so much easier for me to just go there, show up in person, and with it, with an interpreter, just do business that way. But yeah, there were. There were a lot of really strange things there. We saw these ballpoint pens that are like two ballpoint pens glued together like next to each other. And so the idea is not so that you use them both at the same time, but you write with one. And then when you want the other color, you just flip it over in your hand so you don't have to get another pen.

Andy 49:46

Somebody just made that up in their

Johnny 49:47

garage and they were like.

Andy 49:48

Like, this is brilliant.

Caroline 49:49

Yeah, it's really strange. There was like, really everything at this thing. They had a stall that was this company that just sells like every. Like they sell receipt paper, like for storage, but in every color in the rainbow. And I just thought, like, I can't believe that that exists.

Tim 50:06

It's.

Caroline 50:06

They just had everything. And it was in this huge convention center that is bigger than the Javits center or anything I've seen here. And they had all these other trade shows going on at the same time. So it was just a bunch of super ridiculous stuff things. But yeah, that was. Anyway, that's boring. But I. I spent. I went. So I had enough time to just kind of roam around Tokyo on my own and try to go to all the stationery stores that I know of in Japan or the ones that have been recommended or ones I had found through extensive research. But yeah, honestly, I was a little bit disappointed that I didn't really come across many pencils that I didn't know about already. I was really hoping for some. For some surprises. But this mono KMKKS is really the only one that I found that I really had never seen in my entire life. But they. The thing about Japanese pencils that I. I mean, I'm really partial to Japanese pencils. I love them and they're just really special because they pay so much more attention to the design of them and the way that they're finished and the quality of the paint. They have so many layers of paint always just because. I guess it's just a lot more important that it be aesthetically pleasing. And the graphite is always so much smoother. And it's. I think with most Japanese pencils, it's because they use a little bit of polymer as well as wax with their graphite mixture. And so it's just a completely different type of smoothness, which I really appreciate. But yeah, there was a. I went to Itoya and they have a pencil testing station where they have all the pencils. And that was really fun because I've never seen like a proper pencil testing station anywhere outside my shop. And so it was fun to kind of be in somebody else's shop because in my shop I use all the pencils, but I never really sit there and like, try them all out. Like. Like I would as a customer. And so it was fun to do that, to really kind of remind myself what the difference is between a Japanese pencil and, I guess, pencils from Europe or the US or anything.

Tim 52:10

But I'm like, a little terrified to sharpen the Jumbo Itoya pencil that you sent just because I'm like, terrified that I'm gonna love it and never want

Andy 52:22

to use anything

Tim 52:25

beautiful.

Johnny 52:26

Yeah, don't sharpen it then, because it writes really nicely.

Tim 52:29

Yeah, Like, I'm like. Especially in the mushroom family, love, like, yeah, the jumbo. Man, this thing is gorgeous. Man, I would be in trouble.

Andy 52:37

We have an Atoya store here in San Francisco. It's.

Tim 52:40

I know somebody who sells them.

Andy 52:41

Yeah, I don't know if they. I haven't noticed the Jumbos there, but I know they have the regular size one, so I'll definitely look. Apparently this is the only Atoya store outside of Japan in San Francisco.

Caroline 52:55

Not fair.

Andy 52:56

We have one in New York, so. So that's cool.

Tim 53:00

That's.

Andy 53:01

That's one thing I really love about Japanese stuff in general, especially the pencils, is they do take a lot of care to make it look aesthetically pleasing and. But it's. It's always, you know, it's never like super ornamental or non. You know, it's not froofy. It's very functional as well. So. Yeah, that's. That's one thing I like about Japanese pencils too, is they're just like really just thick and yeah, there's just good quality as well as just gorgeous.

Caroline 53:32

I love that on the backs of them they often write what its purpose is. I've been meaning to take all the ones and flip them around and take an Instagram of them all together because there's so many, like general writing, office use, school use, Master writing. Master writing, yeah. That's the best one, the master writing one. I love that one.

Andy 53:52

That's cool. So sometimes you can get. You can see some models of Japanese pencils with and without erasers. What's the ratio of pencil, of Japanese pencils. Do you think that have erasers on them?

Caroline 54:05

Really? Not many at all. Probably like 10% or less. Really? Yeah, yeah. The. I mean the standard pencils that they sell in the stationery stores that are mostly just. Mostly just like Tombow Monos or Unis, not the High Ooni or any of the higher end ones. Usually just like. I forgot what, like the Uni Star I think they call it. And they have all these like all these models of Mitsubishi versions of the Nanodea. And also the tombow IPOs that are. That are super, super designed and really cute and made for kids. They have a lot of those. But those. None of those have erasers either. Really. There just are almost no. No pencils with erasers. There.

Andy 54:56

There's a. There's a tombow that I can get here at the Mito stores and the Bay Area. It's a. It's a tombow made out of recycled wood. It's. It's the LG Kea.

Johnny 55:08

Oh yeah, that thing's pretty.

Andy 55:09

Yeah, it's. It has like a. It's natural wood color with like a black eraser on it. And so it's a really nice eraser. But I was surprised when I found it then. It was a Japanese pencil, but it had a pretty American looking eraser on it.

Caroline 55:24

Yeah, I've never actually used that one before. That's one that I always forget that I want. This happens all the time. I see a pencil and I need to stock it, but then I just forget. I'm going to actually make a note of that.

Andy 55:36

I'll send them to you.

Caroline 55:37

Yeah, I'd love to try it.

Johnny 55:38

They have them at Kinokonia in New York.

Caroline 55:42

Oh yeah, they do. You're right, they do.

Johnny 55:44

Then I totally go there all the time.

Caroline 55:48

I'm never in that part of town, so I never go there. But there's the other Tombow pencil, the Tombow 2558. It's a yellow pencil, but it's kind of orangey and it has. Yeah, it has that kind of like purplish, feral. I love that one. That's a really, really good Japanese pencil with an eraser. That's. That's a good one. I just. Yeah, I. I have a hard time sometimes explaining to people in the store that the eraser thing is really just. It's really American. And any pencil that's made outside of the US that does have a ferrule and eraser is pretty much made for the US market.

Tim 56:23

This is America because we want to we want to be perfect.

Johnny 56:26

Right?

Tim 56:27

We want to appear perfect. So we're going to do all of our mistakes. Yeah. Oh, yeah. There you go. The other side of the coin.

Johnny 56:37

Definitely not true.

Tim 56:40

What? I didn't make a mistake. What are you talking about?

Johnny 56:43

We did the right thing. I don't do a good George Bush.

Tim 56:49

That's what that was. What is it? I was going to ask what you think after being in Japan. Caroline. What is it that I'm older than you guys? What is it that. What do you think it is about Japan that makes them like that? They have such a strong stationary culture. All these awesome pencils come from there. What is it that's different? It's just something I've never really thought of. Why do they have all that stuff and we have two pencil makers in America?

Caroline 57:24

Well, I think in general, everything in Japan is so orderly. And as far as. As far as kind of etiquette goes, it's so, so old fashioned, which is kind of refreshing. I appreciate that. But I think that has a lot to do with it. It's just a certain way of life that things are done a certain way, the way that they've always been done, and that's how they're. They're just handled. And so I think as far as. As far as, like writing instruments go, like, they. It's just. It's just kind of. Kind of what's expected. I mean, in the stationery stores there, the biggest section, even more than for writing instruments, I noticed that often the biggest section is for planners and date books. They're just like aisles and aisles of that stuff. Like refills for every planner you could ever want. That. That's. That's just something that I feel like they haven't gone totally digital with the. Yeah, the idea of a calendar or a planner that you use every single day to record everything. And so I think at the very least, that's something that most people still use. And I think it's just part of their culture. I think, like, the Japanese products are always very well made and very designed for. Very well designed for the most part. I think they're quite proud of that. And so I think in Japan, too, like, a lot of the people I met were all so excited to show me what they were writing with and always, like, always kind of treasured those things. And they just kind of take a lot of pride in that, I think.

Tim 58:50

Yeah, that makes sense. Like, what are some of your. What are your favorite Japanese pencils? Like, we're talking about the. They have this certain sense of quality in certain way they go about things. And you mentioned that you love Japanese pencils, but what are your favorite Japanese pencils that are at least semi readily available to people in the US Because I feel like there are tier. There are tiers of Japanese pencils as far as like how easy they are to get. Like as far as one that people could fairly easily come across either from your store somewhere. Like what are some of your favorites?

Caroline 59:22

So I. Well, right now I'm using the. I'm just actually googling this right now to make sure I'm correct because I get the numbers so confused. The one that I love right now, and I've been recommending a lot for kids in school if they want a really nice pencil. I love the Mitsubishi 9852ew. It's kind of Mitsubishi's version of a yellow pencil with an eraser. But the, the naked one is so pretty and it's. The text is printed in green and it has a really nice black eraser and a kind of like deep purpley, feral. It's just a really nice quality, very, very simple pencil. It's just so simple and perfect and the box design is really, really great.

Tim 1:00:09

Those are gorgeous. I like those.

Johnny 1:00:10

Yeah, the Mac Master Writing, which is cool.

Caroline 1:00:13

That's the one that says master writing. Yeah, that's. That's kind of my favorite Japanese pencil right now, just for everyday use. But that's also lately been a really popular pencil for taking the LSATs with in the shop. So we've been recommending that one a lot.

Johnny 1:00:34

So what was your favorite paper product from the show?

Caroline 1:00:38

Oh, that's a really hard question. There are these notebooks that I found that I really, really liked. And still, like I said, business customs are so formal there. I'm still waiting to finish off things with some of these companies that I met. But there's this notebook that I will be getting eventually that is made by a calendar company. It's made. The paper inside the notebook is that. I guess it's not in the US it's not really a standard type of thing. But you know, like those, those calendars that you sometimes see in like Chinese or Japanese restaurants on the. On the table or something. Those calendars have the very, very thin paper. It's like very thin and kind of.

Andy 1:01:20

Is it the Tomoe river paper?

Caroline 1:01:23

I don't know what that is.

Andy 1:01:24

Oh, that's Tim, you. I think you know the Tomoe river paper best, don't you? It's almost like Vellum. But it's really fountain pen friendly.

Tim 1:01:35

Yeah, it feels like a tissue paper, like in your hand feels like tissue paper.

Caroline 1:01:39

That sort of thing. Yeah, exactly. And this company makes these generally very inexpensive calendars out of that sort of paper. And they're making notebooks out of them. And the idea is, because it's really thin, the idea is that the notebooks have 365 pages as calendar would for 365 days of the year. And so they did this. It's cool. And they did this one set. I think it's fairly new and I'd never seen it before. They don't, they've never sold to anybody in the US So it would be like brand new. But they, they do this one that is actually a set of four notebooks and there's one for each season. And they're very simple in their design. They're just, they're. They're. I think they're stitch bound, but they're, they're soft cover and they're different pastel colors. And on the edge of the paper, on the COVID it just has the name of the brand and gold foil. And then it has a little icon like a snowflake for the winter one, like something very subtle.

Andy 1:02:38

Is this the Seven Seas Rider? Is that what they're called?

Tim 1:02:42

No, Seven Seas Rider is just. It's just like a big fat notebook of that Tomoe river paper.

Johnny 1:02:48

Okay.

Tim 1:02:49

That's all they make, I think.

Andy 1:02:50

Yeah. That's awesome.

Tim 1:02:52

Those sound amazing.

Caroline 1:02:53

It's really cool. I kind of like the idea that you buy. It's not one notebook like your planner is that you use every day. It's just like a little collection. And at the end of the year you have this little collection of notebooks. But it's great paper though. It's really good for pen and pencil. Pencil doesn't smudge very easily on it, which is nice.

Andy 1:03:14

What, what are some of the best erasers you, you saw on the show or kind of in your travels in Japan?

Caroline 1:03:21

Oh, there's actually an eraser that I really like that I can't tell you what it is because I can't read it. And I've tried to look and I bought one for the first time. There's this, there's this Japanese supermarket that I go to sometimes. It's on like the third floor of a random building and it's kind of, kind of dodgy. But they had this eraser once by the checkout and I bought one and I saw them in Japan in all Sorts of colors. And it's a. It's kind of like a. It's a nice little size too. It's like. And it. Like an inch and a half by a half inch by like 1 inch. It's a great size. And it's. It's a plastic eraser and it's kind of crumbly, which is sort of nice sometimes for a plastic eraser, I think, because sometimes they're. They're kind of like, you kind of have to use a little bit too much pressure to get them to work. Well, I really don't like plastic erasers, but I love this one. And I. I will tell you as soon as I figure out what it is. Or maybe I'll. Maybe I'll put a picture of it on Instagram and ask somebody, ask for help. If anybody knows what it is, you'll

Andy 1:04:19

find somebody who does. That's awesome.

Caroline 1:04:21

Yeah, it's great eraser. But they. They have a lot of those really good, like, clicky erasers that are super, super fine. They have ones that are just very thin and rectangular that are really nice. And a lot of those erasers in the shape kind of like the. That Staedtler one that's at Target right now, that's kind of rectangular and square. You know what I'm talking about?

Tim 1:04:45

Yeah, those are great.

Andy 1:04:46

Yeah.

Caroline 1:04:46

Yeah. Love that shape. I'm not. Didn't buy any sushi erasers or any of those novelty ones. Not really into that.

Andy 1:04:58

Yeah.

Johnny 1:05:01

Are there any sort of discernible trends going on in the pencil world in Japan that being stateside, we'd be completely oblivious to?

Caroline 1:05:12

Oh, that's a good question. I hadn't realized until I went there just how much more common it is to find a B or a 2B pencil for writing. I saw almost no HB writing pencils when I was there. Or at least definitely. Definitely. Far fewer than a B or a 2B. I don't know that there are any particular trends. There's a lot. They have so many stationary things over there right now are pastel colors. I saw so many pastel colored things, which I thought was a little bit peculiar. I guess that's the. That's what they've forecasted to be trendy pastel colors. Yeah. Which I'm not crazy about. So I was kind of bummed out about that.

Andy 1:06:01

The nano dias have always kind of been pastel y. Yeah.

Caroline 1:06:05

Yeah. They. Because they make them what they. I kept seeing the pink ones and the blue ones, which to me seems kind of like Gender separate, which I'm not. Not really a fan of.

Andy 1:06:15

Pencils for women.

Johnny 1:06:16

Yeah, Bic for her.

Andy 1:06:19

Yeah, Bic for her.

Johnny 1:06:22

They actually had some of those Bic Equilutions in the Bic for her line. They were some sort of, you know, pseudo feminine color, and the fake wood was dyed black, and they were really thin. I really wanted to get my hands on some, but I couldn't find them. The ebay ones kept selling out. I'm not making this up.

Tim 1:06:40

Those Amazon reviews are just like, oh, yeah, the greatest.

Andy 1:06:45

So, Caroline, I don't know how many of these you got in your suitcase and took back, but did you have any. Any weird issues with customs?

Caroline 1:06:54

Shockingly, no. I. So many people tell me in the shop that they're like, sharpener was confiscated or. Some customers told me yesterday that tsa, like, had to investigate his lead holder once. And I've never had any issues. I travel with lots of sharpeners, and I always have lots of pencils. Especially this time, I had. I had probably half a suitcase full of pencils.

Andy 1:07:18

Wow.

Caroline 1:07:20

I'm a very light packer, so I left a lot of space for pencils. And nobody said a word. I was shocked.

Andy 1:07:26

That's awesome. Yeah. I travel with probably four or five just, like, really sharp pencils. And, yeah, I've never gotten a word. And it's, you know, it's been in my carry on, so it's like, I could stab somebody with this. Tsa, you're not doing your job.

Johnny 1:07:44

You're lucky I'm on some TSA list, which is why I take Amtrak seriously. Yeah, we'll talk about that later.

Andy 1:07:52

It's a different show.

Tim 1:07:55

So, Caroline, what are some new pencils you brought back with you that you'll be stocking in the store so soon that you're, like, especially excited about?

Caroline 1:08:05

I'm really, really excited about Kita Boshi Pencils, which I will be getting soon. I'm expecting the first.

Tim 1:08:12

They're awesome.

Caroline 1:08:13

They are really awesome. And I'm expecting the first order in hopefully soon. They are a really small. I didn't realize how small that company is. And they're really small. They're run by family. It's. I met the guy who's the, like, the president of the Kitobushi pencil factory. And he. He's so funny and so nice. And, yeah, they just gave us tons of free pencils and just talked to us for ages. They. We had a hard time leaving that booth every day that we were there because they were. They were so friendly. But they. They have really great checking pencils, like red. Red ones and red and blue combination ones. They make them in both that. In both, like a true red and that vermilion that some European brands are and a lot of Japanese brands do it in. Those are super nice. I'm really excited about those.

Andy 1:09:01

They're located in Fukushima, aren't they? Or somewhere close.

Caroline 1:09:04

They're just outside Tokyo. They're, like, technically within city limits. I think their pencil factory is actually open to the public.

Andy 1:09:11

Oh, wow.

Caroline 1:09:12

Yeah. You can go on a tour there.

Andy 1:09:15

Did you do that?

Caroline 1:09:17

I didn't really have time. It's just one of those things that I'd want to, say, spend a whole day doing that. And I'm. I'm hoping to make these trips a yearly thing at least, and so that'll just be something to look forward to next time.

Andy 1:09:28

Heck, yeah. I really.

Tim 1:09:30

Oh, man.

Andy 1:09:30

I really want to do that.

Tim 1:09:31

Yeah.

Andy 1:09:32

I wish I had a reason to travel to Japan besides this. Get somebody else to pay for.

Tim 1:09:38

Yeah, we need to, like, crowdsource plane tickets to Japan.

Caroline 1:09:43

Yeah. Hey, guys.

Tim 1:09:44

Or Germany. Like, yeah, two people to Germany, two to Japan, and then. And we'll meet in the middle somewhere to, like, show what we found. We'll meet in Afghanistan to talk about what we found.

Andy 1:09:54

Perfect. That sounds like a plan to me. So, speaking of Germany, Caroline, what's next? I know that there's big stationary shows in Germany. Paper World. Is there? Do you have any?

Caroline 1:10:05

Yeah.

Andy 1:10:06

Do you have any plans for other research trips?

Caroline 1:10:08

I really want to go to Paper World. I don't know. There are a lot of trips I want to take. I kind of wish I could just. Just, like, take. Take two months off and do them all. Just travel for a whole two months. But I can't do that. Not yet, at least. So I'm thinking I really want to do a trip to Portugal just because I get emails all the time about really cool stationary things in Portugal, really cool new brands, products, notebooks, just everything. And I love the Arco Pencils, which come from Portugal, and that's a really interesting, really old company. And I would love to visit their factory and maybe do a bit of research on Portuguese stationery, because I feel like a lot of that stuff never makes it outside of Portugal or at least outside of Europe. And so I think there's a lot to be found there. I'd also really love to go to India to visit the Hindustan pencil factory. They make the Apsara pencils and the Natraj pencils. They emailed me about that recently and I would love to make that happen because. Yeah, their pencils are really different to most other ones and that's. Yeah, there are some things I'd like to investigate there.

Andy 1:11:19

Oh yeah. I never thought about Portugal, but you're right. I've definitely seen interesting stationary things from Portugal.

Caroline 1:11:27

Yeah. They make. They have so many beautiful paper products there and they're. And the Viarco pencils are really great. I think, I think that Viarco is definitely the most innovative pencil brand that I think exists right now in the world. They're always coming up with really strange things. They do those scented pencils that are really wonderful and they have this pencil top. It's like you could spin it like a top. It's really fun. I have one on my desk and they have a magnetic pencil. They have all these really neat things.

Andy 1:11:55

They have a terrible website though.

Caroline 1:11:57

It's a terrible website. Yeah, it's really terrible. But it's okay. Their products make up for it.

Andy 1:12:03

Yeah. Well, just like Musgrave. Musgrave has the worst.

Johnny 1:12:07

Well, at least it's entertaining. Yeah. It's a time machine.

Andy 1:12:10

I guess. I guess you don't think of people who make good pencils.

Tim 1:12:13

Middle school AV club is putting it together.

Andy 1:12:15

Yeah. Hey you guy. That's cool. So, so kind of what is your. With these trips and kind of learning what, what they do elsewhere. What is your kind of eventual business goal for that? Are you trying to. To stock that in your store? Just trying to like, you know, tell the world what other people do or start some sort of a stationary cultural revolution or just, you know, checking it out?

Caroline 1:12:41

All of the above.

Tim 1:12:42

Yeah.

Andy 1:12:42

I was gonna say any of those would be great.

Caroline 1:12:44

Yeah. I just really like learning about these things and I think that like, the more that I know, the more I can share with other people. People even if I can't get all the things in my shop and if I. I mean, I don't want to ever have a pencil empire or anything. I like it. I like to keep it small. I like it the way it is now. But I would eventually really part of. In like my 10 year plan is to open a store in Tokyo. So that's, that's something that I want to start thinking about in a few years. Maybe I need to find someone in Japan to run it for me.

Andy 1:13:11

That's.

Caroline 1:13:11

That's the big hurdle. But I'd love to do that. I also think maybe these things will all be useful for my master plan, which I don't know if I should be Talking about this on a podcast. My master plan is to have. As if that's still not true. You guys are really famous. But no, my master plan is to have a TV show.

Johnny 1:13:38

Yes.

Tim 1:13:38

Yes.

Caroline 1:13:39

I really want a TV show where I travel the world in search of the most interesting, like, just the best paper products, like stationary things. Just everything. I have a great. I have a really great name for the show picked out already, which I won't say on the podcast, but if you want to know, I'll tell you in the shop. Yeah, so I'm. If anybody knows anyone who's a TV producer, send them my way, because I have a lot of plans for that.

Andy 1:14:08

It's like, you're like the next David Rees. You can just.

Tim 1:14:11

Or just like the Anthony Bourdain of.

Andy 1:14:13

Yeah.

Tim 1:14:15

Of stationary.

Andy 1:14:16

That's awesome.

Caroline 1:14:16

Exactly. That's the plan. But I don't. I don't know if that'll happen. I'm working on it. I have a lot of years left in me.

Tim 1:14:23

Yes, that's cool.

Andy 1:14:25

So definitely watch that. Any. Any other questions for Caroline? Anybody?

Tim 1:14:30

I don't think so. This would be great.

Andy 1:14:32

Anything about your trip that we. We didn't cover that you just want to tell the. The pencil world about Caroline?

Caroline 1:14:37

Oh, goodness. Not that I know of. Really? I. Yeah, I don't know. I can't think of anything. Yeah, I think we covered a lot of bases.

Andy 1:14:48

We did.

Tim 1:14:49

Yeah, we've been. Yeah, it's a great conversation.

Andy 1:14:52

Well, if any of you listening out there have any questions for Caroline. Caroline, how does. How does someone you find you on. On social media?

Caroline 1:15:00

I am on Instagram @wpencilenterprise. I'm on Twitter wpencils, and my website is cwpencils.com.

Andy 1:15:10

that's awesome. And how does one get to your shop?

Caroline 1:15:13

Oh, my shop is on Forsyth street in Manhattan between grand and Broome. Kind of in the Lower east side, but kind of in Chinatown. It's kind of in the middle of, well, no man's land, but you can take the B or D train to get there. You can see the giant pencil sign from the exit of the subway.

Andy 1:15:31

That's awesome. And there's a really great little bar around the corner. Am I right, Johnny? Oh, yeah.

Johnny 1:15:38

I mean, what.

Andy 1:15:40

So I'm told.

Johnny 1:15:41

I went to the library.

Tim 1:15:44

I thought that was the library.

Andy 1:15:47

So, Caroline, thank you so much for coming on the show. And let's make this a regular thing. It's good to have your voice on, and it's good to just have somebody Besides just us talking and yeah, this is fun. You are a fount of knowledge. So, Johnny, how can anybody, how can somebody find you on. On the Internet?

Johnny 1:16:04

Well, I have been@pencilrevolution.com for 10 years now, so I think my website needs a cane. I'm on Twitter and Instagram both. Ensolution or Depends, man. I'm sorry, my URL is weeping.

Andy 1:16:23

Tim, how about you?

Tim 1:16:25

You can follow me on Twitter timwassom and I'm on Instagram TimothyWassum or find

Andy 1:16:30

him at the DC Pen show next week.

Tim 1:16:32

Yes. Or hunt me down at the D.C. pen show next Saturday. Saturday the 14th. Is that right?

Andy 1:16:38

I think so.

Johnny 1:16:40

15th.

Tim 1:16:41

Dates are fuzzy to me right now. Yeah, 15th. 15th.

Andy 1:16:44

I am Andy Welfle. I am@woodclinch.com you can get me on Twitter Wealthly or oodclinched and on Instagram Wealthly. We as a group are the Erasable podcast. You can find us online@ erasable us. You can find our episodes on your favorite podcatcher in the itunes directory as well. Or you can go on facebook.com erasablepodcast to find posts about our episodes and come join our community. We have a group of really amazing people, 600 strong. We have a Facebook group. It is facebook.comgroups erasable. I'm going to probably screen your application or your request to join because sometimes we have spam bots try to do it. So hopefully you're a real person and you can find us on Twitter raceablepodcast. So thank you very much for joining us and we will see you in a couple weeks.

Tim 1:17:52

The intro music for the Erasable podcast is graciously provided by this Mountain, a collaborative folk rock band from Johnson City, Tennessee. You can check out their music@www.thismountainband.com.

Andy 1:18:04

gaze captures me with wonder. I can taste the days of a

Caroline 1:18:10

long past summer if I could just

Andy 1:18:15

count the times this has happened before

Caroline 1:18:22

oh, I said.