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Happy New Year and welcome to episode 155 of the erasable Podcast. I'm Johnny Gammer and I'm joined tonight by Andy Welfle and Tim Wasem for this first episode of 2020, which is a new year and totally different than, oh, I f. Ed it up. It's 2021. It is like 2020 again.
Yeah. I feel like the unicorns were going to come out of the sky now and, like, everything was going to go.
I think we should just keep on going.
I think what's a perfect way to start? 4:21.
Yeah. Yeah.
So I was gonna say it's like, totally not the same as last year, right?
Yeah, not at all. It's definitely not as bananas as last year.
Things are going great. Yeah.
Yeah. It turns out everything was just constrained to that calendar year. So here we are.
The first thing I did in the new year was get a COVID test and it came back positive. So I'm off to a great start. Like that day, everybody looked. Looked hungover, and I'm like, I'm just sick.
I'm. I'm glad that, like, you know, it's not been life threatening for you. I'm glad that you and everybody in your house is, like, sick, but okay. Right? Yeah.
The kids are pretty much all better.
That's good.
And when they weren't, they were just, like, eating candy.
Yeah.
I think that was the secret. That's probably why they got better more quickly than I did.
How's Frankie?
Asymptomatic, so. And her test was negative. Yeah, but she's gonna go get another one to make sure.
She should just, like, get a. Get her own apartment for a couple months. Yeah.
And my. My youngest two are such cuddlers. Like, there's no way you escaped this unless you have different DNA than us, which could be possible.
Yeah.
Really interesting.
Are you sure she's the mother?
Well, I watched two of them. Did not watch the first one.
I think that they all look like. Especially Henry. Like, look enough like her where she can't not claim them.
Yeah.
Yeah.
So tonight we're just gonna chat because we haven't chatted in a while, and maybe we got some cool stuff for the holidays and we have lots of zine stuff to talk about.
And I don't know about you, but I have a. A little bit of a beverage with you tonight.
I have a clean canteen full of water.
Clean canteen full of water. I'm joining you, Andy. I got a little.
Okay. Johnny's. Johnny's on meds. He can't.
I have some rye.
He's on that hydroxychloroquine, so he can't articulate.
How's the bleach taste?
I'm on a hand.
Yeah.
I'm on a handful of Advil and a very small handful of Tylenol. Those laser cut ones, like, they mean business. They're pretty cool.
Laser cut Tylenol?
Yeah.
They call them rapid release, but instead of being gels, they just have, like, holes in them. So in 15 minutes, you're like, ooh, I feel marginally less horrible.
It's like the Musgrave sidekick, but in pill form.
We need a laser cut pencil from Musgrave now.
Like,
I don't know. I just want things to be laser. That sounds awesome.
I did discover Tylenol pm, which is. Oh, yeah, one of my new favorite things. But I can't wake up when I've had it, so.
Something that Tim and I learned about Johnny that you all may not know is that Johnny sleeps for about three hours a night.
Yeah. So he hasn't. He hasn't slept the full night since, like, Reagan was in office. Yeah.
And so the idea that, like, he's been taking, like, like, Covid naps and he's, like, doing all this, like, you know, that he's sick because, like, that dude goes to bed later than everybody else and gets up earlier than everyone else. Yeah.
And you can. And as soon as he. He gets back to 100%, there's gonna be, like, 75 zines all of a sudden. Out.
Yeah. All of a sudden, we're on, like, Pencil Revolution, Volume 18.
Yeah. It just jumps to, like, 26. And he's like, oh, wait, did I forget to show you guys the other ones? Wait, there's a.
What happened?
All just, like, Covid fever dream. Like, pen.
I don't understand the words that you wrote in this, but there's so much of it.
You would talk fast on paper. No, my. I got a new printer, like, three weeks ago, and I. It's over 2,000 pages on it already. I think I'm overdoing it.
Yeah.
But it's a Canon mega tank, so it's still the original fill, so that makes me happy.
So good. Yeah.
Yeah.
So you want to jump into tools of the trade.
Yeah.
And you want to go first, mister? Sure.
First thing. Music. I'll start with music. I just. In this. Really just been listening to this the last two days, but I talked before about the passing of Justin Towns, Earl, when he. He had an accidental overdose In August. And last week his dad, like legendary songwriter Steve Earle released an album called JT which is, I think it's 10 or 11 covers with his band, his like amazing band covering 10 or 11 of his son's songs. And all of the proceeds from the album are going into a trust for Justin's daughter.
Oh wow.
Who he had a, like a four year old daughter when he passed or four or five, something like that. So really cool in that sense. But it's also just, it's a really great album. He, he did a really amazing job and also like kind of a heartbreaking job of picking these certain songs to sing of his sons. You know, like the ones he sings are not ne. I mean they couldn't have been easy to sing. I mean some of these, there are songs about suicide. There's, he's saying the song the Saint of Lost Causes, like, you know. Yeah, Justin Townserl had like, I think, I think he, like by, by the time he was 21, he had overdosed on heroin five times. So he had just this crazy. So anyway, but the album's really well done. It really is like, it's like sad because of the songs that he's choosing and the ones that he's singing, but the way that he's singing them, it's really kind of like it, I, I, it definitely leans celebratory. You know, there's some, there's a lot of joy in the music that he's playing. So very cool. And he also performed on Jimmy Kimmel a couple nights ago which was really good. So you can check out the video to that played Harlem River Blues. So that's my music offering. Reading. I've been reading almost nothing but poetry for like three weeks, three or four weeks.
That's awesome.
Yeah, a ton. So and with poetry I just like I'm blowing through these books like the two that are sticking out to me, like poets that, that are really sticking out to me that I hadn't been reading before. The first one is Marie Howe who I found out about her because she, I watched the Billy Collins masterclass and he brought Marie Howe on to like basically just do a, like they just sit down with each other and they just pick a poem. Say they did like a Shakespeare poem and a Keats poem and then he did one of each other's poems and they just talked about them for like these like 15 minute videos that were just delightful and she was really cool. And so I read two of her collections. The one her, her most, I guess, well Known one is called what the Living do, and I really, really loved that. So, yeah, reading. Reading her. And then the other one that. I think I talked about her once before, her name is Maggie Smith.
Oh, yeah, you have? Because then we were like, oh, dame.
Yeah, no, the other Maggie Smith. So she. I had talked about her because I had read her book Keep Moving, which were those tweets about like loss and grieving or whatever that she turned into a book. This really beautiful. But I bought her book of poetry. That's. It's. It's called. Oh, I almost said Good Omens, but it's not Good Omens. Good Bones. That's it.
Yeah.
Which was. Which was magnificent. So I had heard. I'd read several of the poems that were in there before, but have you guys ever seen that poem? It kind of. It makes its rounds on the Internet sometimes. Where? You'll see it, I think.
So I think you shared it with us. Yeah.
I dig it, though.
Maybe not. Yeah, maybe I also saw it when I made this round because it's kind of a.
Kind of went viral. Yeah, I can read it. It's kind of short. Can I read it?
Please do.
This is Good Bones by Maggie Smith. Life is short Though I keep this from my children Life is short and I've shortened mine In a thousand delicious ill advised ways A thousand deliciously ill advised ways I'll keep from my children the world is at least 50% terrible and that's a conservative estimate Though I keep this for my children for every bird there is a stone thrown at a bird for every loved child a child broken, bagged, sunk in a lake Life is short and the world is at least half terrible and for every kind stranger There is one who would break you Though I keep this for my children I am trying to sell them the world Any decent realtor walking you through a real shithole chirps on about good bones. This place could be beautiful, right? You could make this place beautiful. So, yeah, it's really. She's wonderful.
And, and honestly, like, we probably don't want to talk about this too much, but especially relevant in a time like this when we know that a large chunk of those we live in a country with are metaphorically throwing stones at birds?
And how many. How many of us are feeling like there's like a bajillion things that we have to keep from our children just to, like, let them be innocent a little bit longer, you know, I mean, constantly. And the stuff you. And so, like, I don't want to get into this now, but, like, Henry comes home and says stuff that he hears at school. I'm like, you're. You're in second grade.
Why the hell are you here in our school anyways?
Yeah, but. So Maggie Smith is awesome. Everybody should check her out. And she's also a very, very good follow on Twitter, so. Okay, I would recommend that as well. And then there was. Real quick. I'm going along. But the only other book I'm reading is I'm reading a book called Zen and the Art of Archery, which is a Buddhism book that, like, filters the ideas of Zen through an art, like a traditional Japanese art, and it's through archery. And it was actually recommended, again, by a poet. And I actually forget the guy's name, but it was a YouTube video I saw, and he said, it's the book that I recommend to all people who love poetry or live writing poetry. It's like reading about this. The way that they treat archery is kind of how he thought about poetry. So I forget the author's name. But, yeah, it's a good little book. It's only, like, 80 pages. And then lastly, for no reason in particular, I've been watching Ken Burns Civil War. I'm not sure why it came to me, and it's actually very, very funny, because I was having kind of a rough night, like, a lot of the country a few nights ago. It was actually the night after the capital, the storming of the Capitol happened. And that day, I was very. I was feeling very anxious, like, especially in the evening. Once I got. It was like, I got the kids to bed, and then, like, the distraction of being with my kids and playing with them was gone. And I got really anxious. And the only thing the. Literally, I sat there and thought. I was like, what can I do to relax? The only thing that sounded good was watching a Ken Burns documentary. The only thing I could fathom. And I was like, okay, that's great. Okay, good. I got something. Ken Burns sounds awesome. And then I was trying to decide, and then, like, I have never watched Ken Burns Civil War, which is like, a classic documentary series, you know? And, like, I've been meaning to watch it for years. And for some reason, it was like, I had this, like, perverse pleasure of being like, yeah, hell, yeah, I'm watching this. And then I turned it on. And, like, the first one of the first quotes in the documentary is this guy who says it's. What's his name? This guy who wrote the big biography of Lincoln. But he. Or not, it doesn't matter. But he. He says, you can't really understand American history and where we are today unless you understand the Civil War. And I was like, here we go. Let's do this.
About to get all the answers.
Tell me the key here. What do I need to do? Who should I follow on Twitter? Come on. So, yeah, so that's what I've been consuming. And then as far as writing with. I'm using a. I've been loving my Blackwing six. I got the orange one with the blue eraser. It's about halfway done with that. And I am writing in a field notes. Denali. I just got the. The Nice. That pack a couple days ago from JetPens. And I really love this one. This is maybe. Maybe my favorite one I have used in a long time.
Favorite.
So that's me. How about you, Andy?
Well, so one thing we did over. Over the break. Actually, not over the break. It's been. It just came out like last week, but we got advertised to so hard for Discovery plus, which is the Discovery network of channels, their new streaming service. So hgtv, Food tv, Animal Planet. Yeah, it's. It's so cheap. It's like. It's like $3 a month if you want the commercial version or $5 a month if you want the non commercial version.
All right, I'm gonna write this down.
Hang on, Tim. I'll tell you what, I'll send you my login. Okay, well. All right.
He's getting better. I was gonna say, going back to that poem, the things I keep for my children. Yeah, yeah. Okay, Done.
So we've been. The thing that sort of clinched it for me was during one of the ads we saw was I just saw Judi Dench in a helicopter. I'm just like, what is this? Is Judi Dench on here? So I looked it up, and there is a show called Judi Dench's Wild Borneo Adventure where she and her husband, who is a conservationist, um, went to Borneo. And I've only gone to the first episode yet, but she met a bunch of orangutans.
Is she ridden on the back of a cougar or anything yet? Or
she, she like, looked at a bunch of like, bugs in the rainforest. She talked. Yeah. So it's. It's basically Judi Dench, who is. How old is Judy dench? Like, like 85.
Like, probably.
She's like, just somebody strapped her in and like, took her up to the, like the. The canopy of like, this ancient rainforest. And I'm just like, be Careful with her. She's an international treasure. But yeah, so. So Judi Dench's Wild Borne Adventure is very good. It also has like a bunch of cooking shows. It has every single Chip and Joanna Gaines show you might want to see in your life. So none has every. House Hunters. Yeah. Yeah.
That was unnecessary. I don't even hate them. I just wanted to say that just felt like the right thing.
Yeah. Has like every House Hunters in there. Like, it's. It's a lot we're sort of was watching. They have this one where they. This one show where that Katie was watching today where they take all these old houses that are like time capsules from like, from like 1960 and they renovate them, but with keeping like, like original design. But like, as. As Katie said though, they'll renovate a house from 1960, but they won't leave the carpet in the bathroom. Like so kind of contemporizing a little bit. So we've been watching a lot of that. It's a really, really good escape from everything that's happened, considering we watched MSNBC for like 12 hours on Wednesday, like, that kind of stuff. So discovery plus is very good. It's a terrible app, though. I finished a book of short stories. I don't. I haven't been reading a lot of like, what's the difference? Like, whatever sits between fan fiction and like, genre fiction. So, like, there's a book of short stories from the Star wars universe that came out called From a Certain Point of View. Have you heard about this, Tim?
No.
I feel like you would. This would be something that I feel like you would. You would be good at recommending to your students because it, like, it's. It is a book of like, a collection of short stories. It's called From a Certain Point of View and it is a Star wars series of short stories. And it's a bunch of stories from the. From and around the cantina scene and the destruction of the Death Star. So what is that? Episodes four and five.
Yeah. Okay. I have seen this. You remember, I used to talk about. I think she's on there. I used to talk about the books. Binti. We talked about those. Right, The Binti novellas. Huh? She wrote one of these stories, didn't she? I think she's in there.
I think so.
Or something. I don't know. Sorry I interrupted you. I'm sorry.
No, you're right. Yeah, Nettie, she wrote one. There are a lot of really good stories in there. Wil Wheaton wrote one. Oh, nice. Yeah. Johnny in our show, notes that are like document wrote. Just wrote Tim shot first. It's funny because there's a story told from Greo's point of view.
Oh, is it the whole thing
basically just.
Just noises for.
Yeah, there's one from Greo's point of view. There's one from Grand Moff Tarkin's point of view. There's one from. And what's cool about this is they weave in a little bit of Rogue One's history too. So. So like the what's her name's father who was the architect of the Death Star, like, he had one. Yeah, there's. There's somebody from. What's his name? Jimmy Smith's perspective.
Yeah. Gargano's dad.
Yeah. Yeah.
Organa.
There's. There's one from, you know, like people on Alderaan who, like, you know, had a large new moon that just showed up and. And all of a sudden there was a bright light. But yeah, it's a. It's. I haven't read a lot of, like. Yeah, from. I haven't read a lot of, like, Star Trek or Star wars novels or anything like that in my, like, kind of adult life just because oftentimes they're just, like, poorly written. And I've. My English major has, like, kind of made me a snob. But this. This has a lot of really good stories with a lot of different kinds of voices. So I really enjoyed that. And the last thing I'll mention is I've been reading. I ordered before. Well before Christmas, but she shipped it media Mail, so Or so it took forever. Is. There is a series of zines that I learned about from the word distro, but I ordered them from her website directly. It's called Cat Party and it is a woman who. Hold on, cat. She wrote a book of short stories that was published by Microcosm Publishing, which is sort of like a step up toward publishing from a zine, but not much. And before she wrote that, she wrote the series of stories. Katie Hagel is her name. Just stories about our cats. Stories about cats.
Nice.
That's a good. That's a good escape. Really, really good zine. I think later in some of the later issues, it seems like she's going to start getting stories from other. Other people about cats. So, Johnny, you may not contribute to the scene.
Yeah,
yeah. So Cat Party is really good. I'll find a link and put it in show notes. But yeah, And I've been writing lately. I've been writing with my turquoise inkjoy that Johnny gave me. I. I'll talk about this later, but I've been sending out some zines, and I have been addressing my envelopes and writing little thank you notes on that with that and been using that, the turquoise one, which is really gorgeous. And then Also my Blackwing XIX, my 19th amendment, Blackwing, and still working on my literature page 155. But it is. I write very slowly in that thing.
So can we hope that blackwing's working on a volume 25 as in the amendment? Yes.
I doubt it, but I would love that.
Oh, my God. That would be it. I mean, for pencils and also for sanity.
It's orange for a little while, and then up to a point it just stops and it's like silver white, and
then it turns clear and all the other translucent. Just like clear. Because you're free now. Or you just get a box and just open up and it's empty and it says, you're free now. Be happy. And there's 20. It's just a box with 25 in it.
Continue paying for these pencils. Have somebody back.
It does sound kind of like the last four years. Spend 30 bucks, get 25.
I actually was, like, in my head was thinking the opposite. Like, you spend. You give them 30 and they give you 35. It's like, that's not gonna happen.
Stimulus.
Yeah, it's a $600 or $2,000. Who knows?
It's six. We. We got a. Like, right away, just. I'm like, do you, like, paying attention to who give this to first? Like, well, do you know how much money people make with the government?
Let me tell you that they do not adjust for local, like, local cost of living. So we. We got nothing. And we. I mean, honestly, it's fine. Honestly.
But yeah, anyhow,
everything sucks.
Johnny, how about you? What are you working on?
So, speaking of zines, I read another zine book called what you mean what's zine? Which is a little bigger than the other ones, but it was cool because the whole thing was written like a zine. So there were times at which it was a little hard to read, but not in a bad way. Like, just had to slow down.
I'm gonna order that right now.
Yeah, that between that stolen Sharpie revolution and magazine, like, if you could put them all together, there's so much good information. So, yeah, that was super enjoyable. And we were talking about this before we were recording, but we just binged the heck out of halt and catch fire. Watched the whole series. So good.
I I. I said in a comment in the. In our Google Doc that probably out of, like, modern TV shows, that. That's in my top five. It's so good. It's really well written. It's. The characters are just really compelling. It's about something I'm really interested in, which is, like, the early days of computers. Sorry, I didn't mean to hijack here.
Oh, they're fine. There are a lot of good, like, time machines in there. They were like Netscape.
Yeah.
Oh, Netscape. I haven't heard that in, like, 20 years.
In the. In the third season, they talk about, like, the.
They're getting comp. Serve drops or.
Yeah.
Is that just in Indiana?
CompuServe. Yeah. Oh, no, that was a. That was a big thing. That was AOL and CompuServe.
I remember going to the CompuServe office to drop off our money to pay for our Internet, which is, like, a hilarious thing. We would go to the office, like, drop off a check and be like, this is for our Internet, please.
We. We were an AOL family, but we had a little spiral bound notebook that we kept by the computer where we had to write down how many minutes we used. Like, when we logged in and logged out. It was pretty amazing. Yeah. Anyhow. Yeah, we were. We got our Johnny. How old were you when you got Johnny's?
Like, I had a typewriter in college.
Yeah.
Yeah. I. I'm not a good example. I was an intentional Luddite for a long time. So I was. I think halfway through college, I was using a typewriter, and then I used a computer that my father made me take back to school when I was a junior. But I refused to use the Internet. So I just tried doing it and, like, cussed at it a lot because I kept losing papers.
Wow.
That was a compact. That was back when it was like.
Yeah.
Really, like, sexy.
Yeah, compacts were awesome. Anyhow, Sorry. I could talk about that.
So we also just binged another Netflix series that's German called the Dogs of Berlin.
Hey, Dogs. Johnny, real quick, can we go back? What did you think about Hulk Catch Fire?
Oh, I loved it. I would.
They were.
You know, I was rooting for Gordon the whole time because I really like Scooter.
I figured you were a Gordon fan. Yeah.
And I really liked John, although at the end it got kind of bored.
John is the.
Just, like, puttering around.
Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. He's great.
Yeah, he was really good. I. I didn't know he could.
I love Donna. What's her name. Shoot. Who played her?
Oh, she's got a hyphen.
What's her name? Yeah, she's really. Yeah, yeah. She and Mackenzie Davis has become, like, quite a.
She's.
She's been. She was in the new Terminator movies. Like, she's been in all sorts of things. She's really great.
Yeah. I mean, it was, what, 10 episodes each? It wasn't a lot to watch, the whole thing.
It's not a lot.
And at the end, you're, like, disappointing.
It's. I'll mention real quick. So each. Each season go, like, covers, like, a major milestone of computing. Right? Like, the first season is about developing a lap, like a personal computer. Like, I think they were developing a laptop, one that weighs no more than 15 pounds. And, like, the second season was a lot about, like, getting online, right? Like, they. Somebody was starting a BBS and you could, like, play games and it was like. It was like online communities. And then the third season was about developing a, like a search engine and kind of like the early days of web browsers. And each of those just was really. They went from like, the mid-80s to the mid-90s. And I. I don't really remember the mid-80s. Um, but I definitely remember the mid-90s. And yeah, it was just a. Just fantastic show. I would love to, like, continue this through like, like, you know, like web 2.0 and then early social media and then like, late stage capitalism social media, when, like, all these characters are just, like, billionaires who just, like, don't give a crap about people.
Yeah, yeah. They could do another one. Just call it, like, everything's on fire.
Dumpster fire, halt and catch fire. Everything else is on fire.
So anyhow, yeah, World on Fire is already a show. I can't do that one.
You don't mean to dwell on that. Thanks for indulging me. Yeah, talk about Dogs of Berlin. That sounds interesting.
So Dogs of Berlin was so violent. There were scenes during which I was like, oh, no, I don't want to watch this. But I don't know how to sum it up without giving spoilers. It's just an entire season following about a week and one murder investigation. And, you know, there's a lot of moral justification throughout it, like, hey, let's do these horrible things because it's a good thing in the end. You sound like everybody else, but yeah, it was totally worth watching. But they did one season a few years ago and that's it. But they didn't say whether it was a miniseries, so maybe. But anyway, it was completely different than Halton Catch Fire. But I think part of the reason I'm not getting better is because I've been up till two or three in the morning every night watching that show. Plus, it hurts your eyes because you have to watch the subtitles because, man, they talk fast. It's like a very violent Gilmore Girls in German. Like, I'm like, what?
That's my favorite description of a TV show ever. Oh, that's wonderful. Oh, gosh.
Yeah, with. I mean, there was a character who has an AK47 tattooed on his neck. Like, Jesus, what am I?
That was the Kelly on a coffee shop.
Yeah.
I just imagine like. Like Lorelei walking around nine.
Oh, and Halton Catch Fire. What's the lady's name that John married?
Oh, yeah, the vc. The venture capitalist.
Yeah.
There was a scene where she looked like Kelly Bishop. Like, it freaked me out. Just like, oh, my God, I didn't think that lady was attractive.
But now I do.
Totally derailed the podcast. So moving on. I am writing with Sharpie because zines I'm going through.
Did you steal it? And is it a stolen Sharpie?
No, I bought a box. Well, for the price, I got them on Amazon. I'll talk about this more later, but I'm writing an aloic term that will handle Sharpie.
Oh, yeah. Mine surely does not.
It doesn't mess around. So you want to jump into freshpoint slash.
Oh, oh, oh, oh. One thing. I think it's been so long since we recorded. I didn't mention. I'll just mention this really briefly. Katie, did we talk about watching Starting to watch Colombo? No. So.
Sounds familiar. Oh, wait, I'm thinking of my parents. They watch in the Heat of Night.
In the Heat of the Night, we started watching Columbo, and there are so, so many Blackwing appearances.
Interesting.
No video.
Sorry. I'm sorry. What'd you say, Tim?
I just said, for real. That's, like, surprising.
Yeah. Oh, yeah. There's a. There's this one episode, I think it's in the second season with Roddy McDowell, and he just, like. He's a, like an engineer slash photographer. Spoiler. He's the murderer and early 70s, so he's extremely tight pants that you do not want to see. But he also just like, uses the bl.
Andy.
Yeah, I mean, go for it. But he. He's using a, like, black wing. He's using a black wing. It's. It's in the, like, pencil cup. And his company, like, it's all over the place.
That's Very cool.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Anyhow.
Yeah. Let's jump into fresh points.
You want to go first, Jim, are
you going to talk about your shopping spree? Your fevered shopping spree?
Yet another fevered shopping spree. So the. The last one, for those who don't remember, was my Moleskine buying spree through all the TJ Maxx. And so we. We hadn't been good. We haven't gone to, like. We haven't gone out very much at all besides, like, curbside pickup everywhere. And Jane and I had a. Like, a date night, which usually involves us, like, getting takeout and, like, eating at home or in the car, so. But this time we decided we were gonna go. I. I wanted to go to Barnes and Noble because we had just watched the Avett Brothers New Year's Eve special, which was incredible. It was so good. I'm gonna pick up a vinyl of their new the Third Gleam, which is. I should. I could have talked about that because I've been listening to that, like, on loop. It's so amazing. But. So I went in there to get that, and there was this, you know, huge table, like, heaping table of, like, last chance clearance items or whatever. And Jane was like, oh, they got some notebooks. Which she never says that. She never tries to encourage me to buy notebooks.
Oh, hey.
She told me that she noticed that on the side of it was a black wing, and they were black wing slate notebooks.
Wow.
And I was like, what?
For how much?
I bought three, and I got them for $11 a piece.
Wow. And that's. That's more than half off. Yeah. Which.
Which I came. So I went on. Yeah. I got on the Facebook group, like, afterwards, just looking around, and happened to see that other people had found these as well. So it must have been at all the stores. But the crazy thing is I didn't see them on the shelves, like, at any point, or I didn't. I had never heard that they were starting to sell them at Barnes Noble, which I guess I hadn't seen there. I haven't been there much to. To look around. I didn't even know they were there in the first place, let alone on clearance. And so I got a. I got two grays and a black in.
Yeah.
For. For 11 bucks. It was amazing. So I. I'm excited about that.
When I heard that they were selling those at Barnes and Noble, like, I was surprised. And then, like, when you were talking about that, Tim, I was, like, just even more surprised because, you know, they work so hard to sort of, like, cultivate their brand. And it's sort of like this luxury item that's expensive and worth it and quality. And the idea that they would have that at just like, a huge chain like that and. Well, first, that they were able to, like, supply it to Barnes and. No. Right. How many Barnes and Nobles are there?
Yeah.
And so between that and then also, like, the idea that, like, a Blackwing would be on clearance for more than half off is just seems unconscionable. Like, I'm so surprised that, you know, that was something that happened just because they. They protect their brand so much, you know, they barely allow discounts. So. Yeah, it's.
Were they like, the older ones from the old.
Grand question,
I would be really interested to know. Like. Like, if you have that, like, sample from Blackwing that they sent you, like, compare. Compare the new notebooks from Barnes and Noble against that one and see if it's, like, the same paper and stuff, because I imagine it is. Like, I can't imagine that they would, like, use some sort of a, like, you know, like, Johnny Discount Supply.
Play your mouth hard for a second. I'm gonna go grab it. Sorry. All right, I got them, and I just unwrapped one of the gray ones that I got. It is identical to the last one I got. So it has the same on the back.
Yeah, yeah.
So it's. I mean.
Yeah, I just. They must have made so many of them, and Barnes and Noble or Blackwing must be just operating at a loss
to get rid of those. Yeah, that's my. My suspicion was the latter, that.
That.
That Blackwing made a ton of them, thinking they would take off more than they did, which. They're great notebooks. Like, Yeah, I love them. So it was a little like. I don't blame them for trying because they deserve to have more of a. To be more out there. They're. They're a tad expensive maybe, you know, like, compared to. Or something. But.
But if your average user is going to, like, go buy a fancy notebook and there is a moleskin for like, $12 and a black wing for $30, which one are you gonna pick?
Size comparison. It would be like, moleskin for. Aren't those like, 22, like, like the five by eight? Oh, yeah. Aren't they?
I don't know.
Yeah, they've gotten.
It's like, okay, but it is a click more expensive, for sure. But I mean, I guess. I mean, I'm sure the. The thinking was that, I mean, people. Who includes a pencil? Oh, yeah. Yeah, that's true. I mean, that's not. Not, not significant because. Yeah, it's like a couple dollars for that pencil. But, you know, the average person probably uses two notebooks a year or something, so it's not unreasonable in that sense. But.
And it's at Barnes and Noble with all of those like, like embossed leather, like Celtic knot notebooks.
Yeah, that's true. And also the, the knockoff black wings that they sell at Barnes and Noble were not on clearance. So that was a fun little piece of irony. Remember those? The ones that had.
Oh, the.
Yeah, the obs. No, what are they called?
I forget. But those weren't on clearance. But these were. So it's just like, oh, ouch.
Yeah, burn.
So, yeah, so that's. That was. That. That was exciting to find that. And I. Yes, I got a few more. They're all in doc. They're all in a dork grid, which is not ideal, but, you know. Yeah, price is right.
Yeah.
So, yeah, that was my first one. Sorry, the. I'm waiting for the doc to reload. I can't remember what I was going to talk about next. There it is. Next thing was I got a new pen, which I'm very, very excited about. And I. We've talked about the Parker jotter on here before and I love my Parker jotters. But also the original one that my wife got me as a gift had like a matte finish on it and it was really easy to hold and I loved it. And then I lost it. I think I remember talking about that. So I bought a replacement which was not a matte finish and it was too slippery and I just like stopped using it because my, My sweaty hands are well documented on this podcast.
We have talked a lot about your sweaty hands.
Yeah, it's. When somebody indexes this podcast, it's going to be. Yeah, it's going to be a hefty portion of the episode. My caustic hands, I think was the phrase from the beginning when we talked about it was some like copper colored thing that was like changing color in my hands. I don't know. That was. That was a deep cut. That was like episode nine or something. Yeah.
Oh, yeah.
So I. But I ordered. I want to get a new one that I've been mean to get for a long time. And I got a Parker Jotter xl, which is a Parker Jotter, but it is, as according to the company, is 7% bigger. It feels bigger than that, but it's a perfect size for my hand and it comes in a matte finish. So I got the Primrose blue, which is kind of like a slate, like a gunmetal gray blue kind of color. And it's awesome. I put the easy flow refill in it and I've been using it every single day for the last week. Definitely worth, worth, worth checking out. If you like Parker jotters and if you have big hands or Parker Jotter seems too, like just a little bit too small for you, I highly recommend it.
I love it if your hands are just constantly gushing sweat.
Yeah, like, like drip. It's like sprays out of my fingertips when I'm writing.
So.
Do you have a Parker Jotter fountain pen?
You're about to. It sounds like.
Amazon always messes around and they'll have one that's like eight bucks. One of the colors. I've had good luck with them, folks. Have not.
Yeah, I haven't tried them.
I like them. They're cheap.
Last thing I wanted to bring up was the amazing new brand name pencils Instagram account. Have you guys been following it? Yeah, I've just really loved it a lot. It's been. I don't know what it is, but it was just like. Because he. I mean, how long ago did he create the account? I mean, it hasn't been that long. Yeah, weeks. Brand new. But recently I just got like. I just. I'm just like delighted whenever a post comes up from. Truby.
Bob.
Truby.
Bob.
Bob Truby. So that was, that was really it. I don't have a whole lot to say about it, but I was just like, if you haven't followed brand name pencils yet on Instagram, it is, it is a. Is worth your time if.
And if you're new to the show or new to pencils. Like, one thing you should know about brand name pencils, it is. It is the closest thing we'll ever get to a complete index of historical pencils. Right. Like, it's not. It itself is not complete, but it is the most complete sort of catal cataloging of like old pencil brands and really good pictures of them and when and where they were made. It is a very, very good website. And Bob is. Bob is a member of our Facebook group. He's pretty active. He sells a bunch of his old pencils. He has a really. Now a really good Instagram account. So like, go, go follow Bob Truby on Instagram and then go check out his website. It's really good.
It's awesome. I think.
Yeah, it's such Like a labor of love. Not obsessive. It's just very carefully done.
My favorite post that he has is that he has a shot of the side of all of these vintage pencil boxes. Oh my gosh, it's awesome. It's like you got like, there's like dicondrogas and Rangers and Blackstonians and all these. Just these monitor pencils and f. And it's, it's such a great shot. These old pencil boxes. Like, where in the heck did you find all these Van Dykes? And there's. I. I also love. He. He posted a picture of the. I'm looking at right now from 1820. These are Benjamin Ball Black lead pencils from 1820. They are a round, raw pencil with a square core still wrapped in like, you know, rubber band with the, with the, the label wrapped around it. And it is just beautiful. It reminds me of the throw pencils, but really great. So if, yeah, if you, if, if you haven't, if you haven't followed Brand Name Pencils yet, it's brand, underscore name, underscore pencils and it's awesome.
So somebody else that's squatting on brand name at Brand name Pencils, it's me.
It's just paper.
I knew it too.
Yeah, that's all I got. So how about you, Andy?
So the first thing I wanted to mention was something I think happened since like in the many weeks since we last recorded. But we've talked a few times, probably several times on this show about really, really great website called Blackwing Pages, which is a really good, just, just good, really good reporting on the original Blackwing and the history of, of Everhart Faber. And it's kind of sister blog Contrapuntalism, which is about pencils and writing music. And that was run by a guy named Sean Malone, somebody I've. For a long time, I think, Johnny, you two have collaborated. Not collaborated, but like corresponded with over, over the years.
Yeah, yeah, yeah. He spent some time.
Yeah.
Baltimore.
Sean. Sean sent me my very first hack wing before there was a term for hacking. He took a. Probably in like 2008, 2009, 2010, somewhere around there. Sent me a palomino pencil that had been sanded down like at the top. And then a Blackwing feral will put on. And that was before new Black wings even existed. And we talked a bunch. I own a box of Boston Athenian black wings that I bought through like in a group order with Sean. And there's also been just some really like strange hijinks. Sean Malone and Palomino Blackwing sort of declared war on each other. And Sean had a series of. Just like, very strange posting about. About Palomino Blackwing and some of their kind of like, less than ethical marketing efforts. And, uh, I say all this to say that Sean Malone has, over, kind of over the Christmas holiday, passed away. Um, he. He was 50 and he died December 10th. And I, I knew that he was a professional bassist. Like, he. He was in a band called Cynic, like a punk band called Cynic. He had a band called Gordian Knot. Um, there's a lot of the stuff I didn't know about him until I started to see tributes, like an obituaries. So, yeah, so he is. He is a. An original pencil blogger in the same vein as like Bob Truby and Michael Letty and Johnny Gamber. He is one of the like, old guard pencil bloggers and he has passed away at a too young of age. So I think that we should definitely commemorate that passing and just like, let's let y' all know in case you didn't know.
Yeah.
But, yeah, I'm. I feel like I'm probably like second wave pencil bloggers. And so I corresponded with Sean a few times and I, I feel like after we started this podcast, there was sort of like a rift between like, you know, the, the, like Pencil Talk folks and the Michael Letty folks and Sean and, and us. Right. Like, we moved on to, to podcasting and a lot of people aren't really interested in that. So to me, this feels like very like third wave of pencil. Pencil Interneting. And Sean was definitely part of the first. So. Yeah, so just wanted to mention that. Yeah, I. Tim, I don't know. Have you ever had any dealings with Sean?
No, it never interacted directly, but I just admired from afar, you know, or just like had read a lot from his site, but had never actually interacted with him.
He was a very, very good researcher. And I, I was always just like, really surprised at that. And I, I just realized like, he had a. He had a doctorate in like, like music theory. I'm probably. I should actually look this up. He. He had a PhD and I imagine you can't. Johnny, correct me if I'm wrong, you can't get to a PhD without like, being a pretty good researcher.
I hope not.
And he. Yeah, he. So his. He was writing. He's in the middle of writing a book about the history of Eberhard Faber, and I really hope that some of what he's written has. Sees the light of day because it was, it's very good. Some of the pages that he shared and the stuff he's written about over the years. So he, he was just a top notch researcher and he had a passion for vintage black wings and ever hard Faber pencils. So yeah, I would love it. I really hope that those come out in the world, at least in some respect. Second thing I'll mention, and I guess the last thing is a little bit more of an uplifting topic. Inspired by Johnny and by Ed Kemp and those folks, I started a new zine and this is something that is a lot more sort of like homemade and small, like lesson. Not less ambitious but like more or more homemade than plumbago is, is this thing that I'm working on and it is called 404 Magazine. And Tim, did you get your copy?
I did and I loved it. Yes.
Johnny, did you get yours?
My mail hasn't come in.
I don't know what is happening in Baltimore, but man.
Yeah, I have things that have been sitting in various warehouses.
Yes, I sent Tim one of those too. And maybe by the next episode we'll be able to talk about it. But yeah, that's been two weeks. Been waiting for that to get to you.
Yeah. And I think you got three things for me today and you posted the shot. I'm like, I don't even know what that was. That's been a while.
Hopefully you'll talk about it. I want to hear about it. But yeah. So for years I've been trying to figure out how to combine two of my favorite things. One of them is UX writing, which is what I do professionally. And one of them is zines, which I do, you know, non professionally, Semi. Professionally.
Lovingly.
Yeah. For fun. Yeah, lovingly. And so finally this, this came along and, and basically what I did was I took various error messages and onboarding messages and like basically messages from apps and websites and I took them and I side by side refactored them to look like poetry because sometimes you can find additional meaning in that. If anybody here has ever used. Oh, I'm trying to think of a really, just a good example here. If anybody here use Lyft.
And
you could basically along the way, if Lyft is asking you to rate the shared route, it shows this message and the message goes, why is your shared route just. Okay, this helps improve future shared routes, many stops, detours, drop off time, submit. It's not, it's not great. But I basically have taken like UX writing and tried to refactor it to poetry. That's what it is.
I think it's. I think it's very fun. It's a great zine and I was excited immediately was excited to share it with my brother in law who, who submitted for the small issue of. Because he's a. John. Yeah, John. He's a small poetry like fanatic. And I was like John would love this. And so I sent it his way. So yeah, yeah, yeah, I.
It's a lot of love. I. I think we talked about it the last time I bought a printer and I've already had all these like homemade homemakey homemade zine supplies from. From before when I was still before I outsourced Plumbago. But I've been having a lot of fun. If you want to get a copy for yourself, go to 404computer which is a domain I'm pretty proud of. Just it just forwards to a page on my personal website where you can. I'm selling this on Etsy inspired by Johnny. I don't like the Etsy e commerce platform as much as I like the. The one for Plavago which is just our. Just on our erasable Squarespace website. It's really hard to export your orders to a spreadsheet which is what I want to do to print mailing labels.
Yeah, you can't print mailing labels from the app. You have to go into the browser on your phone.
Yeah, stupid.
Your app is telling me I have
to go to another app. Let's use that message in a future 404 magazine. So anyhow, I, yeah, I'm. I'm sending this out. It's just a very tiny zine. I'm just selling it for 3 bucks 50 if you're interested. Check it out.
I love the color.
Yeah, I picked up a pack of Nina paper Astro Bite paper. Just a regular old 20 pound paper and I've. I printed it in the five assorted colors from that. So yeah, I have that and then I have. I'm basically used six sheets of paper total. I'm using the, the Astro Bright and then I'm using five pages of just regular laser printer stock and it's a quarter page zine. So I've been able to print out two copies per page. And then I. Oh, I should talk about this. You know that really big giant expensive paper cutter that I bought a paper guillotine. I, I love it but I, I sold it to a friend of mine because it took up way too much space and it. I accidentally bought the one that holds up to 17 page, 17 inch pages, which is just way too big. And that's the one I bought like three years ago when I. I think I bought it for Plumbago issue two or issue three, but it's just way too big. And I downsized to a. The same brand HFS it's called and it is the 12 inch one. So it's a lot more manageable. I can keep it in my house rather than in the garage. The 17 inch was so big, heavy. It weighed almost 100 pounds. It was so big.
Oh my God.
The 12 inch one weighs like, like 40 pounds or something. It's still huge.
But man. Yeah, I have an exacto that was like bucks.
I. I think I'm gonna.
And I'm really.
Our friend Les, a friend of the show Les who does the RSVP podcast, she has a really good recommendation for like a rotary cutter that's good for up to 20 pages. And I think I might pick up one of those for smaller runs. But I've been thinking non stop about paper cutters and staplers recently, so that's sweet. That's where my mind has been at.
That's so fun.
During. During the. During the insurrection. I basically sort of like self soothed by folding and stapling zines. Yeah, that's awesome.
In his couch with 5,000 copies of 404 next to him. Like. Yeah.
So if anybody wants them, I have
15,000 copyright cutting and stapling just like son of a. Yeah.
So I usually do mine like an hour after I've gotten up in the morning when the coffee and Adderall are fresh and like I break a sweat. I. I think I'm not doing it right. But man, I get a lot done.
Yes, you do.
But it's not relaxing at all.
So that is. That is it for my. My fresh coins. Speaking of zines, Johnny, take it away.
Yeah.
So really quickly, Frankie asked me if I needed any zines zine supplies for Christmas.
Oh, no.
But she got me one of those stapless staplers which I've always wanted. And this one does 10 sheets. It just like punches out a tab that looks like a little arrow and then shoves it inside of itself.
I have one that does like three sheets. I didn't know there was a 10 sheet one.
Yeah, it's got like a metal frame inside of it.
Can you post the link in? Check.
I couldn't read. I have to find out where she got it. But yeah, definitely I couldn't read it. So I used Google Lens just Like, hovering over it. And it translated everything instantly for me, which was really cool. And I got an embosser that has the logo of my website on it, which is so fancy and cute. But I forget. I keep forgetting I have it because I'm like, what am I going to do with this? But it's neat. The kids.
I have it on the. The thing you sent me. It looks so good.
Yeah. I'm gonna be on notary. That would be cool. Side gig. Some fun Christmas present.
His lifelong dream of becoming a notary.
Moving to Muncie, Indiana.
Yeah. We have a family friend who's a notary. I wonder if I could take over from her.
She pulls a knife on you, and you ask her. She's like,
welcome to the guild.
Everybody has a secret tattoo.
This is the way.
Yeah. They're like the real life Mandalorian.
So the other thing with it being a new year is that Bullet Journal redid their website, and now they have something called Bujo U. They've registered Bujo. Like, now it's got the little R
after it all the time.
So I signed up for it. It's like five bucks a month. And they use a different social media platform called something with an M looking at my phone. What is it called? Mighty Networks. So when I signed up, there were, like, 600 people on this. You're like, hey, I can, like, talk to Ryder Carroll. I wonder if he'll talk back. Like, it's pretty interesting. And I got the newer book after, like, a month, it showed up, like, destroyed. I had to whip out my bone folder and just spend a half an hour, like, pressing it back into place to make it.
You might better be careful where you whip that out, because, yeah, I was
at home in my pajamas, but it's. They didn't mention on the website that it's made by Leuchtturm. But the paper is, like, crazy thick and stiff, but also very smooth, so it shows sheen. And you can use a sharpie on it. It's, like, not messing around.
How is it so far?
It's awesome. Like, it's got just the right texture where something on the dark side, like a Tennessee red, is just a dream. And, I mean, someone I know who uses fountain pens and took my notebook and isn't me, was using regular turquoise ink. Yeah. And it was sheening, like, all over the place. Like, oh, my God, this is awesome. And I'm waiting for the downside. Well, the downside is they're gone. You can't get them anymore. And they're not getting them in for a while because of COVID But, yeah, they're pretty cool. The network is pretty interesting. There's a room for talking about stationary, so of course I had to post the hey, does anybody use pencils? Question. So, yeah, I wonder if it'll be orchid or to fill tick off.
Are they as meninist as some of the bullet journalers out there are?
I think it's weird because you have to pay to belong. So it seems like people are kind of like, you know, digitally walking around, being like, what's going on here? Should I talk? Like, I'm just a regular guy? And there are lots of people that talk a lot. So I don't know, see how it goes. They're gonna do classes, which could be awesome. And they have, like, a writing room where they have, like, guided writing and stuff. So so far it's been worth five bucks a month. And speaking of zines, on New Year's Day, Ed Kemp from Word Distro had the Wordies and Plumbago one. I forgot what the category, because there were a lot of categories that were funny, like, really funny names.
We should. We should. I watched it later because. Because Ed did it at 7:00am my time.
Oh, I think it was recorded.
Yeah. Because he had some, like, graphics and stuff.
But, yeah, I didn't realize it. I'm like, I gotta. Gotta get up, watch this before I go get my COVID test. I went right from one to the other. But, yeah, I. I thought it was hilarious. I love the show itself. Ed is like my new hero. And. Yeah, what night was that? After Christmas, there was a live scene reading on YouTube called Another Evening at Home with Ed, Billy McCall and Gina. And then at the end, some guy read an obscene Baltimore poem in both.
Some guys.
Yeah. My parents watched it. Unbeknownst to me. My mom's like, yeah, you put it on too much. It's not real. So those are fighting words. My mom and I are going to have a live Baltimore east competition at some point.
Plumbago won for Blood. The it's not the Size of the Zine Award. The Boat Award. I'm sorry, Yours had something to do with pickles, right? Your award?
Oh, it was broccoli.
That's it.
Which makes me hungry because I love broccoli. And should I say my second? Start this over. My baby zines for Pencil revolution were volume one. So I finished 12 since last time we recorded, and you get a free holder. I'm sorry if you don't like the color it's free to hold them if you want to, but it's sort of like a craft project you have to do yourself. And I haven't heard of anyone actually doing it, so I think I just wasted a lot of ink and cardstock, but that's okay. And today I put out the first one from volume two. It is half size, and it's about fat pencils, but also Catholic school. And it got a little personal.
Yeah.
But I left it in there because otherwise it was short. And there was. There's not a lot to say about fat pencils. Hey, they're cool. You should try them. Here's the Sharpie you should use. And that's better.
Don Gamber, you're a biggle worm.
So we were talking about this earlier. She's still alive.
She probably listened to the show. Yeah.
Last time I saw her was like, you're remarkably stupid. I can't believe I was ever scared of you. But nuns can do that. It just took a dark turn, but yeah. So the volume two issue one is moving quickly, and after 100, I'm not printing them on this expensive damn cardstock anymore. So get one. Now I have a studio intern that I can make stuff envelopes and do things like that that I don't have doing.
Yeah, two or three studio interns. Don't you? I don't trust their intern is not Apprentice.
Yeah. So Charlotte and I did a few scenes together, and I was like, well, you know, I bought the printer and the paper, and I did basically everything, and you made some drawings. So, like, here's your cut. I'll buy you a pen or. Yeah, she got a pen. So now I'm like, you have to do some more work if you want to earn some actual money. So she's glad to do it because she likes money, although she doesn't do anything with it.
So.
Yeah. Oh, I also have a little zena about pen palling that I had a lot of fun making that's on my Etsy shop and comes with letter writing paper. So, yeah, Nice Self promotion for the night.
I really like that. That was. That was a cool. So you want a cool little zine, Jane? Jane noticed that when she's like, oh, that's cool. It's like those envelopes. And then I showed it to her, and she's like, this is great
on that one. I. I sliced up a couple air mail envelopes and, like, put them back together by hand. And when I was finished, I realized it was crooked.
Nope.
Oh, well, it's crooked. Hashtag, it's a Z. All right, you want to button up our first episode of 2021.
Yeah. You got the year right this time. 2020. The trouble is, somebody said, like, you know, it sucks that you pronounce it as 2021. As in W, O, N. Prove it.
Is this 2020? Yeah. I don't believe you.
Yeah,
it's like an adjective. My dad, I was talking to my dad today, and it's like, yeah, your mother got this 2020 puzzle. What? He goes, she got a puzzle and she did the whole thing. And at the end it was this
just like a puzzle of like a giant pile of dog poop.
But it bleeds into the next year. It hasn't stopped yet, so it just never ends.
It's a puzzle that, like, pieces just keep showing up in the mail. You just keep building onto one side of it. Just keeps going.
It takes over your dining room table
on the first floor. Send you a hundred, a hundred pieces every two days. And like three of the pieces don't fit with anything. So you're like, just keep going.
If you don't do it right, they start taking your fingers.
You will finish this puzzle.
You have to mail it into them after you're done. Like, so you have to shellack it.
And like, puzzles wash up into the Baltimore harbor.
Our harbor would melt them.
Terrible.
So, Tim, do you want to tell folks where they can find you?
Sure, yeah. Just try and find me. You can follow me on Twitter at timwassom and I'm on Instagram @timothywassum.
How about you, Andy?
I am @andy WTF. You can find my newest zine project @404 computer and you could find my pencil blog that has been updated inmonths@woodclinch.org and you can find me on Instagram and Facebook at a Wealthley. How about you, Johnny?
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Some people did.
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