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Take two. Hello, and welcome to episode 98 of the erasable Podcast. I'm Tim Wasem on hosting duties tonight. And gosh, I don't know. I don't remember who's joining me, but I think I wrote down my field notes. It's. Is it Drew and Jonathan? Yo, yo. Hey, guys.
Hey.
How's it going?
Hello, Timothy.
How's it going? It is me, Timothy. Timothy Leland Wasom.
Is that your middle name?
Leland? Yeah.
That's amazing.
I like that middle name.
I like it too. It's Henry's as well. Henry Leland Wasm is his name. My notebook also tells me that we are lucky to have joining us Larry Grimaldi, who needs no introduction to members of the Field Nuts Facebook group, the Erasable Facebook group. Hey, Larry, thanks for joining us.
Hey, Timothy and fellas, thanks for having me on. Appreciate it.
We're excited to have you. So thanks for joining us. Larry is a prolific user of field notes notebooks, and we thought we'd invite him on to join us as we discuss these notebooks and how we use them and most importantly, how he uses them. But let's start off the way we always do with our tools of the trade. And Larry as the guest of honor. Why don't you get us started?
Will do. Got a couple of consuming things going on here. The first one is the never ending Story, that goofy fantasy movie from kind of thing was in the 80s, 1984 or whatever it was. My kids are about the age where I want to start showing them some things that I kind of grew up with. And my daughter's 6, and we actually watched it today, and I think it was a little bit over her head, but she got to the most of it. She just looked at me toward the end when that crazy wolf Gamor come out and goes, is there going to be a happy ending? And I thought it was a classic comment from her, and I'm like, yes, honey, just wait. Be patient. So we're looking at that. And then my daughter started a musical theater class, and it's been the greatest showman all the time in this house, but I don't mind it. The music's pretty good, upbeat, so she's fun to watch when she gets in her little theater mood. I'm going back through some old Dan Brown books because I enjoyed Angels and Demons and a Da Vinci Code and Deception Point with the main character, Robert Langdon. And there's a new one out called. So I'm hoping to get that started once my summer kind of slows down. A little bit.
That's pretty good. I read it and it went really quickly, but really enjoyably.
I'm glad because I was a little concerned about how well it might be because I know some people give Dan Brown a hard time, but as long
as well, it is. I mean, it is formulaic, right? Like it still kind of follows that same process. But it's a good formula. I mean, it's made him lots of money up until now.
Yeah, it totally has. And I actually. I enjoy the books. The movies, not so much, but I'm looking to get that read going.
I Remember reading the DaVinci Code and buying it in downtown Chicago on some trip with a friend. And since then I liked it. It's been a decade, but now I've got angels and demons that's been sitting on my bookshelf waiting to be read forever. And I definitely planning on. And I actually have the next one. What was the next one?
An origin.
Yeah, that doesn't sound right.
There's one in between that. That's like American History.
Yeah.
Lost Symbol.
Yeah.
Yeah, that's the one. Yeah, I got those two waiting for me. I'm gonna get to at some point.
I enjoyed both those. Those are pretty good. And then I'm catching up in terms of TV vice principals. We watched season one when we had a new principal come on board a couple years ago and people were saying how the whole dynamic of our building was very similar to the building in that show. And after watching season one, it is so crazy how spot on it was and pointing out and going, oh, I know who that teacher is. I know who that teacher is. Of course I'm not gonna say anyone's name right now because God forbid anyone's listening to this. But I'm just catching up on season two. And then I just saw that the lot of E3 announcements for the upcoming video games because I'm such a big gamer dork. So I'm waiting for the Division 2, the Last of Us 2, and then my favorite series of all is fallout. So Fallout 76 is coming out, so I can't wait to get my hands on those in the next couple of months.
Do you have all 75 previous ones?
No, I believe there's only four previous ones.
Oh, good.
I think there's some prequel action going on here. But what I read, they're moving away from their like the kind of a solo campaign. I can't stand playing video games online with little whiny punks and kids and yeah, I can't stand that's why I don't.
You just got poon.
Yeah, exactly.
I, like, semi. Semi insulted my students at some point where they're like, do you play Fortnite? I'm like, no. Because then I'd be playing with you all. Like, why would I do that? I'd be stuck with you online. I'm not gonna do that.
Yeah, no, thanks. But it looks like the premise of Fallout 76 is similar to the division where you're kind of online with everybody and you're all in the game at once. And I'm going, you've just kind of
ruined it for me.
So I hope it's not as bad as I'm thinking it could be. But see, and then writing with pretty much almost every volume of Blackwing, now that I've also jumped into the pencil bandwagon, and I'm writing on my second favorite notebook, the Northerly. And that's pretty much where I'm at right now.
Nice. How about you, Johnny?
So I'm not consuming very much that's interesting. Except rewatching Downton Abbey, which I'm sure everybody's heard enough of. And I'm reading a really good book called how to Raise a Wild Child by Dr. Scott Pat, or Dr. Scott Patterson. Scott Sampson, who is Dr. Scott, the paleontologist from Dinosaur Train that's on MPT Kids. Or, I'm sorry, PBS Kids.
I love Dinosaur Train.
Yeah, It's a really, really, like, dinosaurs and trains together.
It's perfect. I'm so trained.
Henry didn't like it.
Sorry.
Yeah, I do a good version of that song while we're walking to school. Henry's like, do it again, Daddy. Dude, you don't watch the show, but if you have kids or if you want to go outside more, it's a really good book about getting kids out more, getting kids to reconnect with nature. And it's really, really well written. He's a very clear writer, and it's super awesome. It's even a nicely proportioned book for taking around with you. So that'll be in the show notes.
Definitely.
Check that out. And I'm writing with a Blackwing 73, of which I now have many more in a field notes postal edition. I think it's the west coast at the bottom.
It's a good pairing. Yeah.
Lots of waves.
Oh, man. So I. I just started a new podcast that's pretty great. It's called 20,000 hertz, and it's kind of like, you know how 99% invisible is for, like, design and architecture. 20,000 hertz is for audio. Audio design. So they've talked about, like, ASMR audio. They've talked about, like, all sorts of things. And the latest one is about how the design of that THX certification sound that happens in theaters that. I can't even do it.
That was pretty close.
They call it a deep.
Just sub that in.
Yeah, they call it the deep note. And it was basically made in the 80s with synthesizers in such a way that has never been done before up until that point. And it was super interesting. Like, it's, like, mathematically perfect in all these different ways. And, like, it's.
It's.
Yeah, it's 40 minutes of talking about how this thing is designed and sort of the history of thx.
Like the opening chord of Hard day's Night by the Beatles.
Yeah, yeah, absolutely. He was.
Complex chord.
He was inspired by that. That. I can't remember. It was either Hard day's night or it was Day in the Life. I can't remember.
Yeah, Day in the Life as well.
He was inspired by that. And then also just like, a guy at Lucasfilms came up with it, so he was inspired by that. And then also that opening, like, horn blast from like. Like the. The opening theme. The duh, duh duh duh duh duh duh duh duh.
Oh, yeah.
So he. So, interestingly, I won't go into it too much, but George Lucas invented THX because he wanted to show. He wanted audience members for the Empire Strikes Back to have the best audio experience. And there were all these theaters that had really crappy speakers. And so he was like, well, I'm not going to show my film anywhere. I won't be showing the Empire Strikes Back in any theaters that aren't THX certified. And everybody's like, what's that? And he invented thx, too. It's not a real. Like, up until that point, it was not a real thing. So it is now. THX only doesn't stand for anything, except it's a tribute to his film THX, 1138, of which the Blackwing 1138 pencil got its name or got his number. So, yeah, super interesting 20,000 Hz podcast. I also last weekend saw the new Mr. Rogers documentary, Won't you be my neighbor? Which is super good. Yeah. And people. People within a certain age, of course, like, you know, Mr. Rogers is, you know, the second. The second Messiah. Yeah, it's really good. And you will not leave the theater with a dry face because it's very Emotional too. So, yeah, and I'm writing with a. A zebra midliner in my lovely goddamn bujo. According to my. According to my thing. No, that was Johnny. I. I'm actually writing with a Caran d' Ache Genius, which is their pencil with a stylus on the end of it.
Oh, nice.
Instead of an eraser. It's fsc. FSC certified. I'm writing that within my Baron Fig atomic pocket notebook. How about you, Tim?
I just finished a book that I really enjoyed, which is a well known title, at least I don't know if people know that it was a book originally, but it's called True Grit, which was made famous by a movie by the Coen brothers from several years ago and then a movie with John Wayne many, many, many years before that. Kind of a western story about a young girl whose dad is murdered in a western town and she employs a marshal to help her track down the guy who murdered her dad. And she's this real tenacious character, won't take any crap from anybody kind of character. She's a 14, 15 year old girl. And it's a really great story. And I found that the book is, unsurprisingly, even better than the great movies that were made about it. So I would totally recommend reading True Grit by Charles Portis. I think it is a. It's an interesting side by side to watch that or to read that and then watch the Coen Brothers version. The Coen Brothers version happens in kind of a mountainous kind of area, whereas this one happens in a. Definitely a western setting. Coen Brothers is the one with.
What's his name?
Jet. Jeff Bridges plays Rooster Cogburn.
That's right.
And Haley, is it Hailee Seinfeld? Is that her name?
Yeah.
The pop singer? Yeah, she plays Maddie. She plays the main character in it in the Coen Brothers version. And Matt Damon's in it as well. I forget what character he plays. I haven't watched it in a few years, but I'm planning to watch it now, now that I finished the book yesterday. Yeah, so awesome book, though. I'm a sucker for westerns. And this is a particularly good one. Well written. I also been listening to a lot of John Prine. I've been playing some music with some folks with a young kid who's writing some songs that are very John Prine like. And so we've been. I've been listening to John Prine records. His. His new one is called the Tree of Forgiveness. Listening to that and then some of his older records, he's a really amazing songwriter and a classic country singer in the definitely not in the commercial sense. When you think of commercial country singers, he's a holdover or whatever, a throwback to the classic country singers of old. He's a super talented guy. He's been around forever. So there's a lot of stuff out there and I am almost done with it. But I've been listening to the RSVP podcast. They had Harry Marks on to talk about writing novels by hand, which was really interesting topic that obviously we're all interested in. We've talked with him about that, a similar topic. And it was. It was a great conversation between. Between he and Les. So I think you should definitely check out that episode of rsvp. It was super interesting. They talk about Harry's awesome podcast covered and then they also get into the nuts and bolts, the kind of stuff we're super interested in and how they write about or how they work on novels by hand.
Yeah, they've been going through. They've been trying to get all the stationary dudes on there. I was on two episodes ago and then last episode it was Mike Hagen from lidfast and Johnny and Tim, I think you're probably up next. Pretty soon
I'll have nothing interesting to say that they can try me can wring it out of me. But it was a great episode. I'm almost done with it. But it was really interesting and also made me think of. I was listening to this slate working podcast which the previous season or this current? I think it was this current season, but it has been about animals mostly. But they took a break from it and interviewed Neil Gaiman and he talked about writing his first draft by hand. And one really interesting note that was really helpful to me just in my brain as a writer, is that Neil Gaiman said he considers his handwritten draft that he starts as his zero draft. Like it's not even his first draft. Like I just think of it as my zero draft. And then when I transcribe it into computer, that process is my first draft.
That's cool.
And I just think that makes perfect sense. And I. And it kind of freed up my mind like with my own writing. And today, I mean I had listened also listened to the Lunchbox podcast and John Lennon had talked about listening to White Noise while he was writing. And I tried that out today and also I had that going on and then also thinking about it as my zero draft. And I wrote like four pages and just plowed through it with this like White Noise app. Playing in my ears because when I have music playing, I think about the music. When I have, you know, sounds of my house, I think about the sounds of my house. I just can't turn my brain off in that. And white noise is really amazing. I was listening to a combination of campfire sounds and rain.
I like the coffee shop one coffee tivity.
Oh, I've never listened to that. This is. I forget what the app is called that I got, but I didn't see that. But it was just perfect. It just cleared my head. And I wasn't even instrumental music. I just think about all the time. So, yeah, RSVP with Harry Marks was fantastic. And also that interview with Neil Gaiman on the working podcast was really good as well, so I'd encourage you to check those out. I am writing with an acetone stripped blackwing MMX from Jason Patterson. And also, not only is it acetone stripped, he also used sandpaper and like 90% rounded it.
Awesome.
So it's almost completely rounded, which he did because he knows I love a round pencil. So it's. It's. You can barely pick up on the. The hex design, which also. Which is in my head is almost even better than a round pencil just to have a little bit to grab onto, you know, it's a semi. Semi hex. It's a. It's like a super semi hex or something. Yeah, super semi, uber semi hex. So thank you, Jason, for that. I'm loving it. And I'm actually writing in a field notes County Fair Idaho edition, which I have absolutely no connection to. Idaho. But at some point I had traded off some other editions. I think it was actually unexposed. I traded off my Unexposed for a couple packs of random County Fair editions. Because that's my favorite edition that's ever been. And I got this one. So I picked it up today, actually, and started writing in it and really loving it.
I thought you loved Unexposed.
Yeah, Especially that reticle.
Yeah,
I'm letting my silence speak for me, I'm sure.
Yeah.
Nope. Nope. Unexposed is just the worst thing. So I. Yeah, the bright covers and the reticle, it was. It was not my thing. So I traded mine like before, like within an hour of buying them. And then I think my. What I got for him is I had two packs and I ended up getting some shelter wood and then also a couple packs of field notes County Fair. So, yeah, loving that. So let's move on to our fresh points. Larry, why don't you get us started.
Definitely. There's not a lot of new stuff in terms of what we're probably all waiting for, but since I just found out about some of the things that you guys were talking about in former episodes of your podcast. Of course every time I listen, I spend more money.
You're welcome.
So do we.
So I jumped on Baron Fag and picked up a couple of the Atomics because being the science geek that I am, I thought I have to have a couple of sets of Atomic. I bought one and then went back on and went, you know what I need portals. I need train of thought. So you know, my daughter and I like to kind of art journal together. So we, you know, we just, we bought. We cracked open a portal this morning and started in that I'm into the new Log and Jotter books are very similar to Field Notes. I like the kind of American made covers and the story behind them. And then I was told about the Tombow Mono 100HB and how they're like just their packaging was kind of cool. So I was like, well, you know what? I guess I need a dozen. And I jumped on and got a dozen of those. And then I've been struggling with figuring out how to carry all this crap around. You know, I got a pencil case full of, you know, 20 some odd pencils and you know, two or three field notes and Maggie's field notes. And so I'm going. Fanny pack just doesn't seem to work anymore for me. So I found this Gallitec everyday tactical backpack and I was like, oh, that sounds really tough. I'm going to wear that. I kind of sling it over my back and it actually has plenty of room for all the junk I'm lugging around. So that's what I'm using to carry all my stuff. That's about it. I'm fresh points.
How about you, Johnny?
This is not a review but an endorsement for Decomposition Books, which are super cool composition book like books that are made of recycled paper with really, really cool designs, many of which are sort of nature themed. So there was one I really wanted called Redwood Creek that features a cabin in the woods that's very Thoruvian. And I found it at a college bookstore this weekend. So I'm like still high from this. My kids wanted notebooks and dragged me in there. So I got something for daddy.
So it was super cool. Daddy, can we have notebooks? Oh fine.
He's not gonna say no.
Keep complaining. Complaining about it. Fine, we'll go in there and get you.
When we walked in, Henry grabbed one right away, and he's like, I'm done. And I'm like, no, no, no, no, no, no. Let's hang out for a while. He picked something different. He picked one with horses because he really likes mustangs.
Nice.
So it's nice to see him connect his interests. And so another thing that's interesting is that our guest, Larry's kids and my kids are pencil pals, and they're exchanging letters written, of course, in pencil, which is super cool, except for Rosie's that got lost because Rosie took it.
When we got your letter, Maggie was like, where? I thought there were three of them. I said, I think Rosie ran away. Let me read you Johnny's letter, because it was funny how she was excited to get them. So it's pretty cool.
Yeah.
And, I mean, Rosie's was really just, you know, scribbled up paper with some graphite on it that may or may not be worth a fortune one day.
I don't know.
She's a pretty cool kid, probably, I assume. Yeah. This has come up a few times in our Facebook group to sort of organize this on a larger scale with all the folks who have young kids. Maybe we could do this at some point. Maybe we'll get the kids to do it. They'll organize it better. Yeah. So, yeah, that's all I got, sir.
All right. Yeah. My only fresh point, I'm sure Johnny can speak to this too, a little bit, is Randy Reagan is somebody in our group who. He's a pretty active group member. Interesting guy. He also restores bullet pencils, and he has had a bunch up for sale, and he has. He has some from, like, basically any, like, every state. Like, he. Like, if you have something that Randy. Like, if you have, like, a landmark or something that you're into, like, Randy may have a bullet pencil for you. So I asked him a while ago if he had any San Francisco or Bay Area bullet pencils. And at first he was like, I don't think so. They're pretty rare. Like, they're mostly found in the east coast, in the Midwest. Not a lot out on the west coast, and especially not in the Bay Area. So he dug through, and sure enough, he had one for the San Francisco Oakland Bay Bridge, which is big, you know, big connected bridge here. And he also had one for the Cliff House, which is this cool old historic house on the. On the western edge, which is really cool. And, of course, he restored them beautifully. So he. I ordered those from him, and he sent me Also knowing my hometown of Fort Wayne, Indiana, sent me a bullet pencil for Wayne made frocks which are. They made uniforms back in whatever day for like in Fort Wayne. So that was pretty cool. I don't know anything about that company, but it's a cool old pencil.
That's awesome. His work is really amazing.
Yeah.
How perfect they are. I've got some that I've had for a couple years now that I just adore that he sent me and I got one based on Indianapolis because from Indianapolis because that's where I was born. And he sent me that one and then sent me another one. He asked like a favorite place I had visited and I told him the Badlands. That like I loved visiting the Badlands. And sure enough he had a Badlands bullet pencil. That is awesome. I wish I had it here right in front of me but it's actually on my desk at school because I use it a lot. I carry it around the school when I'm working and it's just one of my favorite stationary possessions. So his work is really fantastic. Everybody should check that out.
Yeah.
Yeah.
I ordered one Boston related one and he sent me the other Boston related one that matches it because he said they needed to go together. Super awesome.
That's sweet. Yeah.
So yeah, he's in the Facebook group if you're around there. I'm told he is working on a website. Little birdie told me. That's exciting. Yeah, no if that has happened yet. But yeah, he's. He's pretty good. And definitely like I like bullet pencils are awesome. But my weakness are those really gorgeous old souvenir pencils that have like that half toned illustration. They're just like a bullet pencil version of America the Beautiful, the field notes edition. Just because they. That has the same exact aesthetic to it to me and I just love that. Yeah, cool. That's all my fresh points. How about you, Tim?
First one is I had mentioned I got an acetone stripped pencil from Jason recently. It was a MMX that was stripped and then and sanded and he also sent me a very awesome general's layout pencil that was stripped naked and was also hack winged and so he put a the ferrule from a Blackwing 1911 because he said it looked a little gold, more gold than the normal ones. He put that on with a pink eraser and it is actually is just absolutely gorgeous. So I love this thing. I've got that in front of me as well but he sent me those. So thank you, Jason. These are amazing and I Can't thank you enough. Those are two of my favorite pencils of all time. Also I got a package from Paper Blanks recently which I know Johnny and Andy, you did as well. Paperblanks, the maker of hardback notebooks that you'll find in bookstores and at Barnes and Noble and things. And they're kind of the style, sort of made to look like a.
They're really good quality. They are very good quality.
Yeah, really good quality but kind of gaudy looking leather bound notebook. And some of them are a little too much for me. Some of them are just right for me personally so. Because they'll be a little over the top sometimes but then they have some that are understated and they use the same kind of prints sort of as for the notebooks as they did for the pencil cases. And the pencil case I got is made to look like a sort of weathered, well loved leather and with a simple gold trim around the edges. And it's cardboard and a really good quality cardboard. And it's made just kind of as a rectangular box. And there are magnetic clasps that hold the COVID on. But if you open it, you probably heard it right there. But if I open up, if I open up the case and fold the sort of COVID underneath the bottom, it then props it up on your desk at about a 45 degree angle, which is pretty cool. And I think the best feature of these things is that they are definitely made for pencil lovers like us. I think they made it with our group, with our kind of people in mind. Because it fits an unsharpened blackwing. Yeah, it's long enough to fit that in there. And when you buy it it's going to come with this little box inside this little like case. And it's also a little misleading when you see it on the website because the case, you'll see the case that has a sharpener or something or eraser or whatever in it and then there are pencils next to it. Those pencils next to it are definitely like Steinbeck stage five, six inches. I mean they're shortened which is a little. That's never going to happen. I mean, I don't know, I don't know why anyone would end up with a dozen 6 inch pencils all in a case together. So. But you can just take that thing out, which is what I did, took it out and now it's super useful. I haven't really carried it around with me so I don't know how it's going to stand up to Being beat up in a backpack or messenger bag or whatever. I also don't know if I'm going to even do that. I might just leave it on my desk and use it kind of around the house, but we'll see. It's a really cool product, though. I love it. I love mine. I'm glad I got this design on the outside.
What does yours look like?
It's very Indiana Jones, which I love. It is. Which. We've started watching the young Indiana Jones, Henry and I. Which is amazing because Henry Jones is his. That's like his first.
That's, like, from the 90s.
Oh, yeah, yeah. I remember that Henry has a. Henry has a framed picture of Indiana Jones next to his bed.
Really?
Yeah. I've been telling him Indiana Jones stories at bedtime since he was like two. So for like, three years, I've been telling him. I just make up these Indiana Jones stories. And we went to my best friend's house here in town, and he was having a garage sale, and his wife had made him, like, a movie room, like, to, like, watch movies, and had framed all these pictures from all these movies that he loved. And one of them is Indiana Jones. And Henry goes, who's that? I was like, that's Indiana Jones. Then he picked it up and walked it over to my friend and said, I want to buy this. So he's got. He's got that next to his bed. But the. Which is like. It made me cry. I was so happy that he did that because Indiana Jones is the best. But, you know, I've got the good.
I was going to say my favorite ever computer game is this one that LucasArts made in, like, the early 2000s. It's Indiana Jones and something. Something Atlantis. I don't know if you've ever played that, but it's really hard and really good. And I feel like when Henry gets older, you'll have to find some vintage computer for him to play that on, because it's.
Oh, totally.
It's so good.
I remember that game. I didn't get to fully embrace it and I didn't finish it, but I remember that game for sure. But, gosh, I was Indiana Jones, like, three times for Halloween when I was a kid. So this makes my life to see him be so into it.
Is that his namesake?
That was. I'll say. That was the icing on the cake.
Just tell him it's his namesake.
We liked. It was like, step one. We liked the name. Then we found out it was my grandfather's middle name. Who died when I was one. I was like, oh gosh, that's awesome. And then I thought about Henry Thoreau and then I all thought about Henry Jones and I was like, okay, stop. Just stop the deliberation. We found a name.
So what happens if when he's older he wants to go buy Indiana Wasam?
Oh, it's fine with me. I don't see any problem with that. Yeah, so, yeah, so I've got the leather. It looks like brown leather. And then it's got a gold sort of decorative trim around the edges. So which ones did you guys get?
Johnny?
I got the safa did. It's sort of.
Do you have something like.
It looks like wood and leather and inlaid blue stones. It's cool.
That's cool. It's like, I've seen that one. That was a good one.
I got one that's blue and has like little stars on it. It looks a little bit like, like old, like ancient, like Persian or something like that.
Oh, that's cool.
Yeah.
Oh yeah. So they're all good. That's. There's, there's one that's more of like a floral kind of design.
Mm.
So I think we got the other three and then. But they're, they're all, they're pretty cool. They didn't. I'm a big fan and they seem really durable too, so I think they'll hold up. So. Yeah, so look out for those. And they're not super expensive either, which is nice. They're like 12.95 and they have the nice magnetic clip.
Yeah.
So check that out. I. My last point is I found this artist my brother in law told me about whose name is Susan York. It's Y O R K is her last name and she is a artists. If you go to her website, you'll see two things. You'll see these seemingly super simple, like obnoxious modern art kind of things. That's just black and white. You'd be like, that's dumb. Why is it black? Like, why should I care about this? It's just black and white. But if you actually read about her and figure out she's done those totally in pencil and so she does and it's in. When you see a close up. If you go to her website, the first kind of stream of pictures that you'll see that pops up, one of them is a close up and you'll see the actual strokes of a pencil. So she probably goes through dozens and dozens of pencils on each of these pieces, but she makes Them totally perfect, perfect square. And so she'll make these, but they always have some kind of message behind them. Like one time she worked with a poet and the poet would write a poem and the poet would tell her, here's where I think the emotional high point of this poem is. And then she would have already decided where she thinks the emotional high point is. And she'd put the poem up in the museum or wherever it was. And then two, essentially, she wouldn't call them this, but essentially bar graphs, where she would have penciled in and made a bar graph up to the point of where the most like where the emotional high point was in her opinion and then in his opinion. So that's an example of what she would do. She has all kinds of variations on that, but it's. It's pretty striking when you see them. And then also if you're a pencil person, to see that this is done in graphite, which is pretty amazing. And then she also does sculpture. The sculptures, which are super precise, I will say, like, some of them are carved like perfect cubes, you know, are made of solid graphite.
Wow.
Which is awesome. And so you see some of those where she'll. She makes these sculptures out of solid graphite. Some of them look very rustic looking, I guess you'd call it. And some of them are very precise. And like, she'll make perfect spheres out of them of varying sizes and have them all next to each other. And it's super cool to see graphite kind of both in its natural form, but also handled in some way that's
really hard to do because graphite kind of like naturally, like, you know, sloughs off in like layers, just the way that it's structured. So I can't imagine, like how she got that precise without the entire thing just sort of like crumbling apart.
Yeah, totally. And that's one thing that I really appreciate is I'm not like a modern art kind of minded person. But to see the things she does with the material that I'm so familiar with and that I love is just impressive that she's able to do that with this. Because it takes a lot of care to make something that simple, seemingly simple. And some of them are these long rectangular shapes that go from either floor to ceiling or sometimes even from ceiling to almost floor and are kind of hovering off the ground, which is really cool. And that would have been insanely difficult and technically complicated. And also just handling the materials and carrying them from place to place would have been really hard. So I think it's definitely worth checking out. So it's susanyork.com you can check out her work, and she's really amazing. I'd love to have her on the podcast at some point and talk to her about working with graphite in this really interesting way. And then also lastly, I'll just mention this briefly, but on the. I forgot to talk about this earlier, but on that Slate working podcast, the host said, hey, by the way, Neil, our June Thomas from Slate told us that you write in fountain pen, which is like, I am officially 2 degrees separated from Neil Gaiman, which was super cool because she's a friend of the podcast. She's been on the podcast, and June had said something to the host and said, hey, he writes with fountain pens. And then he. He opened up his jacket, apparently in the. In the interview, and had like a sleeve, you know, had like four of them in his coat.
Hey, buddy, you want to buy a fountain pen?
Yeah. It's like, oh, man, he is even more my hero. Just that he's like that dedicated to analog writing. So, yeah, gotta love Neil Gaiman, but that's all I've got. For. For fresh points, why don't we move on into our main topic? Larry, we're so happy to have you as a guest on the podcast to talk about field notes, things that we've. Something we're all very passionate about and all love. But we feel like you have a really special and even, like, young and budding connection to. That really makes us all excited, and we want to hear you talk about it. And I think the best place to start is to ask you, how did you initially discover fieldnotes?
It's kind of a crazy story because I was never one who carried any kind of notebook unless I was forced to for school or now with work, doing a lot of union work and having notes for our meetings and what have you, I was like, all right, well, I always took notes analog anyway. But I didn't have pocket notebooks, and I would buy whatever cheap things I could find. And one of my buddies at school, who is the applied arts teacher, has an art blog. He's an amazing still photographer. He's got some amazing skills. So he linked his blog to his Facebook page, and he had a post called My Favorite Things. And I was like, all right, it's in the middle of the night. I'm not really sleeping. Let me check and see what it's all about. So I read his blog, and boom, eight months later, here I am on a podcast talking about my Love of all things field notes. It was just a quick dive into it where I saw some of the ones he was using. And I went on the field notes website and ordered a bunch of on a whim, thinking, I don't know why I need all these notebooks. I'm never going to write them. And then next thing you know, I'm averaging about a book every five days or so.
Man, when you jump in, you jump in deep.
It is absolutely true because I did the same thing with pencils. Because I remember Tina, she's in the nuts group and the eraser group. She's like, oh, you're going to love pencils. I'm like, ah, I got a couple of pens. I'm good. And within a month, she's making fun of me in the group, going, ah, so I see you found pencils. And I did.
So
it's awesome, actually.
Yeah.
So we want to revisit pencils. But as far as field notes go, and even other pocket notebooks, if you've used them, what are your favorite and kind of least favorite editions that you've encountered so far?
Well, hands down, I went crazy for Ravenswing. And I don't know if it's just the All Black or the idea that when I taught language arts years ago, one of the most enjoyable units that I did was teaching about Poe. And our favorite thing was the Tell Tale Heart. But I've never read the Raven. And I always thought maybe the Raven was a little too deep for, you know, middle school kids. But then I, when I read it and I got my hands on the edition and that the duplex cover, the linen, like, it's just. There's something about that particular edition that I just fell in love with. And I was lucky enough to find a few probably more costly than I wanted to spend right off the bat. But I, as we already said, I jumped in deep and fast and spent more than probably the average person would spend on a tiny notebook. But I did.
Are you using it or are you collecting it?
I'm totally a user. My wife calls it my collection. I have a stash, I like to say. I have used two raven's wings in the last couple of months because
the
goal for me is to put thoughts on paper and. And to kind of go through daily jotting down of ideas and thoughts and lists and whatever. And so I plan on using everything at some point. It might take 10 years, but I'm gonna go through it. So I do use. I mean, I like having a pack that I know That I have a pack of Redwood's wing that I'll get to later but I'm definitely gonna rip it open at some point. Then my second favorite is Northerly which I'm using right now. And there's a lot of people that hated that inverted paper where it's the whites of the grid and that's kind of gray paper. So it's a little opposite. And I don't know what it is about it. I enjoy it because it's just, it's so different. And I'm glad I have pretty good eyesight because I don't have too much trouble staying within the grid even in low light conditions. So I'm a big fan of that inverted grid. And then the last one is Drink Local Ales. I had a couple of packs of the Drink Local and then I popped one open and that rubbery cover, that soft varnish I think they call it, I mean it was, it's just so cool to hold and I just wanted to have it out all the time because I just wanted to touch the COVID And it's the first edition that I used all three books in a single pack in a row. I usually like to, you know, mix it up a little bit and go here and there, but it's the first one I used all three in a single pack. I love the ales colors more than the lagers. I haven't opened those yet. But the dream logo ales is, is top three and non colored edition has to be the Land Landfield notes. I considered that my grail way back when. When I, when I jumped in and I was looking at all the different editions and things, I'm like, wait, this is sold out. What do you mean limited? And I was lucky enough to stock field notes HQ. That's one of the bonuses of being about 25 minutes from HQ. And they had a pop up and Dan Black was there and I had no idea who Dan Black was. I didn't know what Landland was. And I started talking to him and it was just when they were thinking about releasing the Alphabet soup books and I grabbed a couple of those and I just started talking to him and I said, you wouldn't happen to have any, you know, sealed Land Land field notes laying around? And he kind of gave me this coy look and was like, I actually do. Because he didn't realize how big the field notes would be and specifically his. And he kept, he kept a few and he was so gracious and he was like, okay, I'm gonna let you come by the shop and I got a tour of the studio that he works in. And I met some of his the other people in the studio and watched the process of how he makes those things. I had no idea how you do any of that stuff. So it was a great lesson. And then as I was leaving, he's like, I know why you're here. So he popped open a box and he gave me give me a kick at grabbing a cute. A couple of packs. And I'm lucky enough to still have one sealed pack land left. And I will use it at some point.
But.
But those are. Those are my three favorite and my one non favorite color because there's a cool story behind it.
That's awesome.
Yeah.
And in terms of least traveling salesman, because I'm a writer, not a writer, but I'm a journaler. I've learned to love the art of and the task of writing things down, thoughts, whatever it is, I'm throwing it in my notebook. And I got the traveling salesman because I was like, oh, it's a limited edition. It's so now let me grab it. And then I realized, how in the heck am I going to journal on ledger paper? It just didn't work for me. So I luckily enough unloaded those in the NUTS group. And that was the same thing with Resolution for the for similar reasons is that screw head completion thingy dot at the beginning of every line just kind of interrupted my flow of writing the way I use the notebooks. So it was the first time I kind of went, oh, I think you do trades or things in this field. Nuts group. So I put a little post up and I said, hey, anybody want them? And it was my first trade as well with Daniel, super cool guy, really gracious. It was the first time I saw how amazing NUTS group was. And I'm glad Resolution wasn't for me because it allowed me to kind of see how the group works and how the people really are. And it's the same with the Erasables,
how nuts they actually are.
That is absolutely true. I'm glad I'm not the only one. I, you know, and I talk to people. I'm like, it's kind of like an underground group of love of stationary because not many people know about this stuff. And you know, that's probably one of the reasons why I like field notes because not everybody uses them and I'm okay with that. And then the last, least favorite of all is Black Ice. I love the look, but man, I cannot stand glue. And the purr binding. And I was like, I'm out. And then I also noticed, you know, the right notepads because I was kind of delving into, like, what other notebooks are out there? Let me check it out. And the same thing with right not pad. I was like, I don't like the glue, but they came out with Sakura just recently, which is the stitch binding with the staples. I was like, I'm grabbing it. It's actually, it's really, really awesome book. So those are favorites and least favorites.
Excellent.
So, you know, every different paper has a special pencil for it, like Baron Fig's a little toothy. And field notes are usually pretty smooth and almost kind of glassy. So what kind of pencils do you find work best on field notes? And what would you recommend to folks if they want to try them out? And they're field notes fans, but they're not pencil fans yet?
Well, I'm not going to say I'm an authority on anything related to pencil other than I'm glad I found them and I love writing with them. But I'm thinking in terms of what people may be familiar with, like the HB or B. I know some people like softer lead. I was thinking, you know, I want the extra firm when I was learning about black wings. And so any traditional Japanese pencils, like Tombow and Mitsubishi, I think are really, really awesome on the paper. I mean, I don't know if those are even considered traditional Japanese pencils, but I think I'm learning the ways of pencils. So I would go with like the HB or B Tombows and Mitsubishi's. And I think for my longer writing sessions when I'm, you know, sitting at the coffee shop and I'm just jotting down notes about the books I'm reading or the podcast I'm listening to, I like using the. The extra firm or firm graphite like in the 24s, but I never use the soft or the balanced graphite like in the 73 or the 725. And I finally decided to sharpen a 725, the one I did have, and I couldn't believe how it felt smoother. And I like the darkness of the, of the, of that graphite on paper. And so it's, it's kind of a personal preference kind of thing, but I really am kind of moving towards a little more soft graphite. And I have no problem sharpening pencils. You know, in public or wherever you sharpen pencils. I usually sharpen them all in the morning and go through them all by the. By the afternoon. But yeah, those are the ones I would think is. Is the paper really is smooth and even. The firmer graphite works well because it's not. It's not too bad. I. I haven't used anything that crazy. I know. Johnny sent me some opex. I'm afraid to use them on this thin paper. I don't know if it's gonna. It's gonna tear it up or not,
but it'll probably burst into flame
just
when you sharpen it. Be careful not to create friction to melt some of it, because if you inhale that like. Like automatic. Like black lung.
Yeah. Just make sure there's not any, like, oxygen around while you're using that. Because of it.
Sharpen it in a true vacuum.
I do have a fume hood at work. I'll have to go sharpening my work. All right.
There you go. All right, then you'll be good. You'll love them. Perfect. Okay. Could you. So the main event here is talking about how you use your field notes. And you kind of alluded to this at a few points throughout the episode, but can you tell us how you use your field notes? Walk us through the process of filling them and kind of the mission you have behind your use of field notes?
The first time when I got my first order, I just popped open a craft and I was like, oh, a craft notebook is neat. And the stuff I put in there was so useless. Kind of a way, you know, like, cut the grass or, you know, don't forget to put your shoes in your bag. When I was doing coaching to make sure that I had, you know, clothes to change into later. It's just goofy notes. And the funny thing is, sometimes I wouldn't even read them. I would just write it down and I never come back to them. So I just. I felt that I needed a way to make things more meaningful in the fact that what I'm writing about. So I went to my parents house and kind of. I ransacked the old bedrooms just to see if there's anything I left that might be a value personally or monetarily. And I found like, old stickers and some things from my dad. And he passed away a few years ago. And the third field notes I used was a county fair. And I started throwing in pictures and stickers and writing about the memories I had from the things that I took back from my parents house and the joy, the. Just the feelings of my old life in that house and with my parents and my dad being around and my grandmother. It was amazing how different that third book finished and how I felt writing in it. So I made a pact with myself. Like from here on out, I have to make my entries, at least some of them more meaningful about what I'm reading. Quotes, advice. And it's not really, I don't really have a rhyme or reason for the Daily Carry book. It really is a brain dump. It has lists, it has quotes, it has thoughtfulness, it has gratitude. Things that I'm happy about. And like I said, I average about one every five days. And even with the Daily Carry, I'll scrapbook within my daily carry. My mom's birthday was the other day and I forced her to take a selfie because she's anti pictures right now. So I threw that in the notebook and wrote a little bit about the day that we spent together because due to her health, she wasn't able to get out and come and see the family. We're still working on that. But the fact that I spent that time with her and was able to get a picture and kind of memorialize it in this notebook and maybe someone, when I'm dead and gone, will read that and kind of feel what I felt at that moment. So in terms of other things, I have a notebook for everything. I have one for coaching and for taking stats for when I coach volleyball or for my kids sports and how his batting average is and when he's playing hockey and all that. I got one for every different kind of union meeting I run or I hold. We use the sweet tooth for our gratitude jar entries. My wife a couple years ago said we need to be grateful for things, which I think is a great idea. And I never really put anything in the gratitude jar. But once I found field notes, I really didn't. I was like, I'm not writing a note.
I'm grateful for field notes, right?
So she. So we got the sweet tooth sitting out by the by the gratitude jar because we can rip them out. And I write my little note and I. And she even jokes. She's like, God, field notes really is in your blood all of a sudden. Because I had more notes in that jar than anybody else because I just kept writing on the field notes. So she's not fallen into the field notes bandwagon just yet, but she's dying for a lined perforated book. So we'll see maybe at some point.
So I want to backtrack a little bit to scrapbooking because this is something that really is interesting to me. When I Think of scrapbooks. I think of those big photo album sized books that people put those like puffy stickers in and have big headlines and stuff. But you're scrapbooking with your kids into field notes, which is really space constrained and small. And I'd love to know, I'd love it if you talk a little bit about that process and then also how you like get these pictures into your field notes.
Yeah, definitely. It goes back to what am I doing. Like when my son was born 13 and a half years ago, I didn't keep anything. I didn't keep a keepsake box. I didn't keep the baby book when my daughter was born, same thing. But when I found field notes and I did that county fair scrapbooking, when winter break came this past December, I kind of sat down. I was like, I know what I can do. I know what I can leave my kids and I know like I can leave them something that they will hopefully enjoy to read, you know, when I'm dead and gone and you know, six feet under that. So I, so I decided that I was gonna do scrapbooking and I searched the web about how to scrapbook and like you said, it was overwhelming. These giant binders and these stickers and these little goofy, you know, trinkets that you put in the scrapbook. And I'm thinking, I want nothing to do with that. A, because I don't have time and B, it just looks cheesy, it looks forced. So I was in the field nuts group and somebody pointed out they use these little mini printers and I have two, the HP Sprocket and the Polaroid Zip. And I ordered them immediately and they print out these two by three pictures with a sticky back and you can just pop them right in the field notes.
It's like it's made for. That's amazing.
It actually, for what I use it for and how I scrapbook, it's absolutely perfect. I don't care really that it's not super crisp and the picture's not as vivid as you would get out of a nice print from Walgreens or whatever. But if for what I'm doing it. So I, you know, I, the first week, the weekend I got them, I printed probably 100, 120 pictures. I mean, I went absolutely insane in printing and stayed up wee hours in the morning during winter break and started these scrapbooks. And the pictures are perfect, they fit right in there. And I even cut them up sometimes and make sure that they can put me some two on a page. Because, you know, two by three print is not super huge. And then all I really do is think about what memory or what feeling I had connected to that picture, and I went with it. So for the first two books that I started, I started one that I titled the Beginning. And I went back through my daughter's pictures on my computer from day one when she was born. And I printed up probably 50 or 60 pictures from the day that she was born through her. She was about. She just turned six. And I started popping them in the field notes and just kind of chronicling her first five years through the eyes of her father and putting a picture and kind of writing about the memory I had. I really had no rhyme or reason. I just wanted her to see because I didn't. I didn't. I didn't leave anything for her. I didn't write in her baby book. But I now had this urge to share what I had and how I felt about her being born. And, you know, so. And having a son and a daughter, it's so different the. You raise them and the way you talk to them and, you know, how you do things. So I. So I went back home by my mom's and printed up a bunch of. Or downloaded a bunch of pictures of my son. I found some from his birth. So I started the beginning book for him. And by the end of winter break, I finished two books of each for each of the kid with just, like, the beginning of their lives and how their lives kind of progressed over the. Like, My son first 13 years, and my daughter first five years. Then I sat back and I'm like, I'm out. I don't know what else to do. And then I had crazy idea of, I know what I'm gonna do. I'm gonna scrapbook a single entry every day with a picture and a note for every day of the year until they leave for college. That's my plan. I've kept up.
That's amazing. Yeah.
So far, like, it's. We're in June, and I have every day scrapbooked. Some days don't have a picture because my son. I was divorced earlier, so I don't always have my son, so I don't always have a picture of him. So on the days that I don't have him with me and I don't have a picture of him, I jot down a rule of thumb or a piece of fatherly advice so that at least I'm giving him something every day of the year.
That's fantastic.
It reminds me A lot. Have you. Have you ever seen that Gmail commercial called Dear Sophie?
It's.
I can't remember. It came out, like, several years ago, maybe during, like the super bowl or something. But it's about how somebody started a Gmail account for their newborn daughter, Sophie, and was, like, emailing them. And the idea was like, is when Sophie was old enough, she would, like, go log on and read all this stuff.
I have not seen that, but I do that with my kids. Started doing that like four years ago. Three or four years ago. And so they both have Gmail accounts. Well, for Henry Lyle, as I started two years ago. But I love that. Yeah. Just every once in a while we'll just get on my phone and just like shoot off a text to them when they say something funny or say something like. Or do something really power, you know, and meaningful or whatever.
Yeah. So I love this because it's sort of like that same concept, which I just love. If I had kids, I would love to do something like that. Except with analog, which is, of course, our whole bag here.
Yeah.
Yeah.
It is extremely time consuming. And, you know, I will say that sometimes I get a look like, oh, here he is again at the dining room table with his printers and his pictures and his pencils and his. You know, and because I have multiple scrapbooks going at once for my kids, like, I started the beginning book two because I found pictures of them that I didn't use in the first book. So I'm like, I'll just keep the beginning going until I run out of Pictures up until January 1, 2018, when I started the Daily Journal. So I'm all in passionately and probably over the top. But it's so fun to do. I'm having a blast doing it. And I'm hoping that when they leave for college, that's my plan, that when they leave for college, I'm going to give them a box of hundreds of these things with thoughts and pictures of what we did and how they did. And sometimes I'll get a candid picture that I don't even know. I'm taking a picture of them. And those are even more fun to use because I get to write about how I snuck up on you. You didn't see me coming.
They're like, thanks, dad. Put it under their bed.
But I'm not putting it on Facebook. And I don't put them all over the Internet. There's a couple that I'll tweet it out or, you know, Instagram. But, like, some of those Other special ones, they're just for that. And I've noticed that my writing has evolved even in the last couple of months with the entries, because sometimes when I first started, I would write and I would write it for me. And then I realized I'm not writing these books for me, so the entry can't be connected to necessarily me. I want to write it more for them and how I see them and not just how I felt about the day, but how they felt about the day. And so just even the evolution of how I write the entry with each picture has changed. And it's. It's something I hope that I don't stop doing because it really is something I enjoy doing. And even if they look at me, for my son, it'll be, God, six years or so, or he'll be going to college and maybe he'll look at me and go, I don't want any of this. Because right now he's in that mode where dad's the devil and anything dad likes, he hates. So he doesn't want any. Anything to do with writing or field notes or journaling. And I can't stand it because I know the importance of it. Like, even when I teach, like, we're one to one computers and iPads and in my classroom, you take notes, analog, period. You do not get to take a note on a computer. So my students hate me for it, but I hopefully, hopefully in the future they'll realize the point behind that. So even with him. But then even my daughter, she's just turned six. She's got a long way to go before she leaves for college. Who knows if she'll want these back in the day. But I'm hoping at some point someday
you'll have, like, what's that song that's like, I want to be like you. The Cat's in the Cradle song. Someday it'll be like that and maybe, maybe he'll be interested then.
Yeah, I can only hope, you know, but it's just one of those things. Like, I'm doing it because I'm glad that I'm doing it. And my wife even gives me a hard time because she. On every birthday for our daughter, she writes Maggie a letter about the year in one note. And then she puts it away in her keepsake box. And she even gives me our time cycle. Great. I got one day letter and you got a 365 day times. And I give her and I just tell her, I'm like, join me. Add your own thing. And she's still Kind of like, well, that's your thing. And I would have no problem sharing that with her. I'm hoping at some point she kind of joined me in it, because I really think if we could do it together, she. You may see why I'm so obsessed with these things.
Yeah.
So, you know, baby steps. Baby steps.
Yeah.
We're getting there.
So that's.
I mean, and that's kind of the gist of it. There's really no rhyme or reason. I wouldn't even know how to tell people where to start other than just start. Just do it. Make it.
Make a note.
And these mini printers are absolutely perfect for the pictures. And even if you don't use a printer, jot something down about who you're with, why you're with them, what made you happy, what made you sad. Because, you know, my. I tell my wife, even when she's angry or I'm angry and, like, we. I'd rather write down why I'm upset and reflect on it later than yell at you or yell at the kids or, you know, I kind of grit my teeth and I go back and I write about it later and then realize I'm glad I didn't say anything because it's ridiculous what I was thinking about. So just. Just use them. Use it right. Put your thoughts down. And you'll find that, like, for me, over time, your writing will evolve, your thoughts will evolve. And I'm now big into this whole, like, legacy thing. My parents pushed it, my dad especially. Don't you make us look like fools when we're out here because of our name and our legacy. You know, I never really thought about it until I started doing this. Thinking about, what do I want to leave my kids? What do I want my kids to see? Because I know when my father was sick and kind of towards the end of his life, my mom bought him books to write memoirs to us, and he never wrote them. And I'm kind of bummed about it, to be honest, because I would love to see what he was thinking. And. And she even bought one for my. For my grandmother who passed away even a little bit earlier than he did. And she jotted down two or three pages, and I have that, but you kind of look back. Like, I'm glad I'm doing this because I'm hoping when I'm, like I said, dead and gone, they're going to read them and think about what their life was like when we were around. So that's pretty much why I'm doing it. I want to leave something for my kids that's meaningful is what it comes down to.
Well, that's just such a great thing to hear and hear you talk. Obviously you're so passionate about it and it's something that's very. It's really cool to see somebody who has a drive to do something meaningful with their field notes that isn't the ordinary or isn't like I just. Maybe I'll write a novel someday or maybe I just like all these kind of self serving things. Like I want to do this for me and I just like to do
lists like I do.
Yeah, yeah, yeah. All of us do, really. It's just that you've got kind of that side of things where you do the normal field and stuff, but you're also using them to achieve a purpose that's kind of nobler, I would definitely say so. We really enjoyed hearing you talk about that and thank you so much for being on the podcast and talking with us and hopefully you'll get to do it again someday. We've loved getting to know you a little better and hearing what you have to say about field notes. So thank you, Larry.
I love being on here. I appreciate it. Thanks so much. Because it's, as you said, it's a passionate thing that I'm doing and I love doing and I will talk to anyone at any time about it. So if you want me back on and continue the story and see where I'm at in six months, I'll be more than happy to come back on and hopefully I could. I'm not gonna say, nope, I'm done.
I think we, we can all say that we, we created this podcast so that we could have people who would listen to us talk about this stuff. So you are in good company with that.
We were.
That's why we wanted you to be on here because we wanted to join the conversation with you so much. Can you tell us where, if anywhere that you want us to want people to find you on the Internet or would be okay with people finding you on the Internet? How can they find you?
Yeah, no problem. My Twitter is Larry Grimaldi. Larry is spelled with one R. And then my Instagram is redwings 1377 and that's pretty much where you find me. All right, great.
How about you, Johnny?
You could find me on the Internet@pencil revolution.com and on Twitter and Instagram at pencil U, T, I O N. Yeah,
andy, I'm on woodclinch.com and then I'm on Instagram and Twitter at A Wealthley A W E L F as in Frank L e and you Tim Falafel Falafel Evison Falafel.
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