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Johnny 0:00

No, we don't save our fingers in Baltimore. You find the whole arm at least not good. Hello and welcome to episode 87 of the erasable podcast. We switched the order this time around and I'm not Andy. This is Johnny on agenda duty tonight. Shocker. Along with my pencil. BFFs. Tim and Andy, how are you guys doing?

Andy 0:34

Very good.

Johnny 0:37

Awesome. So tonight we're going to tackle the winter releases from Field Notes, Blackwing and write notepads. We might somewhere in the middle of the show mention gift ideas for the holiday season, but of course from Amazon because it's getting kind of late. But a quick announcement first. Plumbago Magazine issue 3 is in pre orders. You can go to erasable us. I'm sorry, Plumbago 3 to order a copy and Andy will talk about this more. This one's gonna be super, super awesome. It's a fiction and poetry issue where there's lots of art and deliciousness and. Is this PG rated?

Andy 1:14

This. This issue of Plumbago is not PG rated. I would say it would be PG13 rated. Or maybe like a soft rated R.

Johnny 1:24

I wrote a lot of pencil lyrics that I didn't send you.

Andy 1:28

Hopefully not an After Dark episode.

Johnny 1:31

Yeah, it'll be a chapbook. Exactly.

Tim 1:34

Yeah.

Johnny 1:35

So why don't we start the way we always do with our tools of the trade. You want to go first, Tim?

Tim 1:40

Sure. I, as you are, Andy, I can see have just started enjoying The Crown Season 2. Yeah, so we started watching that the other day. Is super good. So far, nothing really new in the book apartment. I'm still reading Moonglow by Michael Chabon. About to. About to finish that up. And music wise, I just today found out about this guy. His name is Tyler Childers. I think it's how you pronounce it. C H, I, L, D, E, R S. And he. I found out about him because of his connection to Jason Isbel, who I've talked about before. He is apparently, and this could totally be wrong, but I've heard that he was signed to Jason Isbel's personal label. Like his. One of his first signings to his label, Southeastern. But he's really good. It's kind of a folk, country, rock kind of thing. And I just started listening to him today. I really like that. And I also rediscovered the band Hound Mouth. Have you guys ever heard of them? No, I don't think so.

Johnny 2:45

Sounds gross.

Tim 2:48

Yeah, but they're. They're good. They're. They're a fun time. They make me feel better about life because it's just very happy kind of rollicking. Like, yeah, this is a fun song about hanging out with my friends. And then I'm gonna casually mention cocaine here and there. All with like a good like country rock sound. I've been listening to a lot of that kind of stuff along with the normal Grateful Dead. But yeah. And I feel like I was going to say oh yeah. And Jason is bull. A few days ago did a benefit concert or a awareness concert for Doug Jones because he is from Alabama. So that was kind of cool. In Huntsville. So that is what I've been consuming. And I am writing with a good old HB wing. Palomino HB wing. And I for the first time have put pink erasers into my HB wings. And I think that looks better than anything. So it's the blue HB with the gold 602 Ferrule and a pink eraser. And it's fantastic. I love it. I always put the white ones in just because to stick with what the hbs look like. But this looks even better. I love it. And I've got the. My new and I want to talk about this during the fresh Points, but my new Blackwing Point protectors that I finally got my hands on got a gold one of those on it too. Yeah, they're fantastic. And I. We have a new category. The last holiday album that I listened to.

Andy 4:21

Oh man.

Tim 4:21

What the last holiday album I listened to was. And this is not a good one, but it's the last one I listened to was a vinyl record I found in the basement of my parents house that they were renting. And it's called Good Old Country Christmas. And it's from.

Johnny 4:40

Nope.

Tim 4:42

1878 or something. It's like some of it's all right. It's like Johnny Cash is on it. And those are pretty cool. But most of them are awful. But that was the last thing I listened to. Last one I listened to and enjoyed was. And I understand that like most people, I enjoy this for slightly ironic reasons, which maybe is why it wasn't created in the first place. But the Bob Dylan Christmas album. Yeah, there's nothing quite like listening to Bob Dylan sing Little Drummer Boy.

Andy 5:09

So come they told me.

Tim 5:18

So. Yeah, that's me.

Andy 5:20

Yeah.

Tim 5:20

How about you, Andy?

Andy 5:22

I am also Digging The Crown Season 2. Tim, how far are you?

Tim 5:27

We have only watched episode one.

Andy 5:29

Okay. I. I'm up to episode seven and yeah, it's so good. I'm a big fan. I am not. This is. This is not a spoiler, but. Well, I guess. I don't know. This is on IMDb so I'm going to say it's not a spoiler, but Michael Seahall plays JFK and he's so bad.

Tim 5:50

His, like JFK was coming, but I didn't know who was.

Andy 5:53

His hair and his like. His like Boston accent is just awful. So bad.

Tim 6:00

Michael C. Hall.

Andy 6:01

That's Dexter, the guy from. Is that who it is?

Tim 6:05

I always mix Michael C. Hall up. Who's the guy from Breakfast Club?

Andy 6:08

Anthony Michael Hall.

Tim 6:10

Anthony Michael. I always mix those two up.

Andy 6:16

Do you guys ever see that, that SNL skit? That's Dylan McDermott or Dermot Mulroney. And it's like you have to. The whole game show is like answering questions about which one is which. And nobody knows. You can do Anthony Michael hall and Michael C. Hall. No. So, yeah, his JFK is real bad, but otherwise it's so good. I'm a big fan. So digging that. I am digging right now. Apple Brandy. I'm drinking that instead of my usual rye.

Johnny 6:49

I thought that was like a band

Andy 6:50

or something, you know? My favorite band is Apple Brandy. It's pretty obscure. You've probably never heard of it.

Tim 6:58

You probably never heard of it.

Andy 6:59

No, it's. Yeah, we bought some for. To make a Christmas sangria not too long ago and get some leftovers.

Tim 7:06

Steinbeck's favorite.

Andy 7:07

Really excellent. I should be writing with a 24, but I'm not. So doing that. I am writing with something we'll talk about in a bit, but a very beautiful, beautiful, but hard to hold pencil that is part of the new Write Notepads edition, the Goldfield. It's a bridge pencil. So it's like very skinny and it's hard to hold, but it makes me feel so fancy. And I am writing with it in my Write Notepads Goldfield notebook, which is an amazing experience, which I'm going to talk about it before you do, Johnny, because you always get to talk about. Right. Notepads.

Johnny 7:49

Okay. We won't fight about it. Yeah.

Andy 7:52

And then. So if I were to pick the last holiday album I listened to, not like by my choice yet. It was in the car last weekend when we listened to Sia's Christmas album. Sia has a Christmas album? It just came out. It's like a lot of, I think tongue in cheek Christmas Christmas songs. But she does have this one song called Puppies Are Forever. And it's basically for all the people who get like a puppy for their kids for Christmas and then don't take care of it. It's basically like, hey, like, are you gonna love this thing? When it's like old and sick and slow. So don't. If not, then don't get a puppy. So that was pretty good, but feels it's really strange, like. Yeah, it's a strange album.

Tim 8:42

Something you, you put on while like, drinking hot cocoa or on the fire. Yeah, I still see his Christmas album.

Andy 8:47

The last album I listened to by choice was probably years and years ago when she and him came out with a Christmas album.

Tim 8:55

They have two and they're both really good.

Andy 8:57

Yeah, they're both like. I know that like, Zooey Deschanel is not like, you know, everybody's favorite right now, but I think that she's a really good singer. And I like, sort of like the like serious kish kitsch that they have. Like she's. They sound like, you know, like something from the mid century. And her album has like, just the right amount of kitsch. I really like kitschy Christmas songs like Percy the Puny Poinsettia and Grandma Got Ran over by a Reindeer. And like all the bad ones.

Tim 9:25

Oh yeah.

Andy 9:26

Whenever they start to take themselves too seriously like Christmas music, that's when I'm like, no, that's not good.

Tim 9:31

I don't listen to much Christmas music, but I could honestly listen to the song have Yourself A Merry Little Christmas on repeat for like a month and a half. I don't know what it is about that song. I just love it so much. I love that song. No.

Johnny 9:42

Good King Gwentislas.

Tim 9:44

What, you on drugs?

Johnny 9:45

Good King Wenceslas?

Andy 9:46

Are you high?

Tim 9:48

Are you high?

Johnny 9:48

Well, you should have copious amounts of mead and listen to that.

Tim 9:52

That would work good.

Andy 9:53

Well, you haven't.

Tim 9:53

Something about that song, huh?

Andy 9:55

You haven't lived. Yeah, you haven't lived until you've heard like a dozen or more small Filipino orphans sing I Saw Mommy Kissing Santa Claus in this, like really high, heavily accented falsetto.

Tim 10:10

Uh huh. I have. I can't imagine that I have. Have lived yet.

Andy 10:16

Soon. Someday. Don't worry.

Tim 10:17

Yeah, someday I'll live. Yeah.

Andy 10:21

Cool. How about you, Johnny?

Johnny 10:24

So I'm also watching the Crown, but I just restarted season one because when the last one came out, Rosie was a baby and I think I kept falling asleep.

Andy 10:32

That's probably a good idea. We were lost for the first episode.

Tim 10:34

Really?

Johnny 10:36

Yeah. Yesterday was the one where the king is getting dressed and exchanging limericks with his secretary. So I'm in like super limerick mode. And I wrote you guys each a limerick, which I'm going To read you.

Andy 10:49

I want to hear it.

Johnny 10:49

Yeah, they're G rated.

Andy 10:52

Darn it.

Johnny 10:53

Toppers is not. I'll have to send them his later. There once was a fellow named Andy whose audio skills were quite handy to give us great poise and filter out noise and swearing when we get to Randy.

Andy 11:08

Beautiful.

Johnny 11:09

I have a co host named Tim with a hearty beard upon his chin. He raps so deeply that we call him 10B because none can cast as deeply as him.

Tim 11:17

It's true.

Johnny 11:19

Clap again.

Tim 11:19

Thanks.

Johnny 11:21

Actually everyone about everybody we know. Yes, but it's not clean.

Tim 11:26

It's rated R. Yeah.

Andy 11:27

Well, who is in the chat right now?

Johnny 11:29

I figured out three words around with here suit. Who has one? I wrote one for Topher. I wrote one for Brad. I can't read out, but I'll send them to them. Yeah, that's for Twitter. That's for Twitter. Where everybody's nice.

Andy 11:46

I love Twitter.

Johnny 11:47

Anyway, so also on Netflix, did you guys watch Godless, that Western?

Tim 11:52

I'm definitely planning on it. I haven't watched it yet though.

Johnny 11:56

Super good. And a lot of the episodes were you an hour? Little over an hour. So it's a good like, I want to watch a movie but I'm kind of tired thing to watch. That's intelligent. It's really, really good. It was really violent, which doesn't bother me. But if you are bothered by graphic violence, read the parents guide. And also NaNoWriMo is over, so I could finally start reading again. So I picked up the Tiger's Wife, which is one of those books everybody's read except me.

Tim 12:26

And me.

Johnny 12:29

I won't spoil it. It's really good.

Tim 12:31

A wrist guard or like a. A brace to put your wrist in after that handwriting, all those words.

Johnny 12:39

My hand still hurts.

Tim 12:41

Yeah, that's what I'm saying. Did you like.

Johnny 12:42

I think I'm doing something wrong. No, I took a lot of Advil liquid gels. That's sort of like my candy these days. Like I'm going to have an Evo liquid gel, a bubbly water and two cups of coffee. Feel like a million bucks. It's really good. Hydrate yourself. So according I'm not going to read what the app says or the doc says I'm writing with, but I'm writing with. I think you should 19 step of like I'm smearing a bloody severed finger I found in Leakin park on the detached windshield of a cop car phone outside my house.

Andy 13:17

Who wrote that? Usually you write those. Johnny. Did you write that for yourself? Are you parking Baltimore? No, they're.

Johnny 13:24

No, there's a leak in park in Baltimore. That's not anywhere you want to go. Sometimes. Sometimes of the day when it's dark

Andy 13:31

outside, it's a place where you might find a bloody, severe finger.

Johnny 13:35

No, we don't sever fingers in Baltimore.

Tim 13:37

Okay.

Johnny 13:38

I find the whole arm, at least. Not good. No, I'm using the very exclusive Blackwing that we're calling the 1917 in a goldfield book.

Andy 13:50

Nice.

Johnny 13:51

And so my kids are into Christmas, so we're listening to a lot of Christmas albums. So the last three were Jingle all the Way by Crash Test Dummies, which is really, really good and serious, but also not serious. Weezer's Christmas ep, which is super good. And Midwinter Graces by Tori Amos, which is, like, top three, best holiday album for me.

Tim 14:13

Nice.

Andy 14:14

Have you guys.

Johnny 14:15

Have you guys heard that?

Tim 14:17

I've never listened to that one.

Andy 14:18

Yeah, neither have I.

Johnny 14:19

It's good. It's on Pandora. If you have, like, Pandora Premium, you can listen to the whole thing.

Andy 14:22

Okay, I'll check it out.

Johnny 14:24

Something where her dad was like, oh, go ahead. Her dad was like, you could do a Christmas album. She's like, okay. So, yeah, it's Tori Amos doing Christmas songs.

Andy 14:35

That's amazing.

Johnny 14:36

That's what you think?

Tim 14:37

Very good Christmas album that I didn't mention because I've not yet pulled it out because I'm hiding it from my son. Or we'll be listening to it until June. Like last year is by this group, Alathia A L A T H E A. And they're friends of ours, actually, but they made this really good. Actually a couple really good Christmas albums. And seriously, Henry wouldn't let us listen to anything else in the car for, like. I mean, it was like, five months that we'd be like, okay, you can listen to Jingle Bells twice. And we're turning this off, but it actually is really good. Please live here. I forgot to mention that.

Andy 15:13

Awesome.

Johnny 15:15

We should compile a playlist. That's what we should have done. That would have been cool.

Tim 15:20

That would have been fun. Yeah.

Johnny 15:23

So should we jump into our fresh points before we get into the big release section?

Andy 15:27

Yeah.

Johnny 15:30

You want to go first? 10B.

Tim 15:31

I'd love to. I mean, I'd love to.

Andy 15:34

Oh, yeah. We got it together, baby.

Tim 15:39

Well, most of mine is follow up to our last conversation with Doug Nichol about typewriters. So I've had a lot of typewriter action and. And sort of minimalist writing stuff happen. And first of all, I'd Say that I, I reconnected with. It's awesome to say this. My typewriter repairman. That is awesome to say, who lives in, you know, just a couple towns over here, who's retired. But he spent, apparently spent like 30 years repairing IBM Selectrics. But I called him a couple of days after we talked to Doug Nichol. And we were on the phone for like a half an hour talking typewriters. At the end of it, I was. I just had to thank him because I don't think he does a whole lot with it now. But he's retired and he's listed in the, in the yellow Pages for doing it, if anybody needs anybody. And so at the end, I had apologized. I was like, I'm sorry, but I never get to talk about typewriters with a person on the phone. And he's like, no, neither do I. So this has been great. It's good talking to you. But he's going to repair my. I have two IBM Selectrics. I have a the one and the three. And he's gonna repair the one because he says the three sometimes isn't worth fixing because there's like a lot of obsolete parts. But he's gonna, he's gonna fix that, which I'm really excited about, taking that to him. And it inspired me to try, not repair, but like servicing on my own. And so I wrote a bunch of stuff on the Internet and I brought home from school. It was the typewriter I've talked about before, the Smith Corona that was my great grandfather's. And then it's been passed through like five different people. Like my, my grandma used it to type up my grandpa's handwritten grad school papers long, long time ago because he didn't know how to type. And she was really good. And I brought it home. It's a Smith Corona Junior, which is. Doesn't mean that it's any smaller. It's just kind of simplified. And so I brought it home and it has this amazing, amazing sound to it. It's really nice. But I sucked it out with a vacuum, washed it really good with soap and water and alcohol. And then I bought some like, Remington gun oil and oiled it up. Now it is just. It's awesome. It's so much fun to write with. I ordered a new ribbon for it. I love that.

Andy 17:47

I love that gun oil smell on typewriters. Yeah, yeah, it's like a machine shop.

Tim 17:52

I just love, love using it. I mean, it's can be a little exhausting to type anything really long. But I'm definitely using it to write letters and things like that now and then because it's. It's. It's really cool. I just want you guys to hear it. It's really. It's really got a good sound to it. Y. But this has also led me even further down the path, which kind of started before our conversation with Doug Nichol about minimalist writing setups. Because I am very easily distracted by the Internet. I think part of it is because having so little free time on my hands these days that when I actually do get to sit down to write, it's. I have to fight the urge to. It's like I really want to write something, but I also really want to veg out and let my brain take a rest, you know? And so I have to find a writing setup where I can get far enough into my writing to enjoy it enough that I'm not tempted to do anything else. And I found a few things that have worked. They're really cool. And one of them I had tweeted about before the conversation with Doug Nichol was I had taken my old MacBook, which was a 2007. Yeah, I bought it in 2007. So it was made in 2006. 2007. I still have it. It's still working, but I took it and stripped everything off of it. Everything I could possibly strip. It's got tons of open memory now, and it's 10 times faster than it used to be because of stripping all that stuff off. And all I've got on it is IA Writer, Scrivener, this app called Noisy Typer.

Andy 19:23

You're such a hipster.

Tim 19:25

I know, I know.

Andy 19:27

Sorry. I just, like.

Tim 19:30

The reason I did it is because, I mean, I had to defend myself a little bit. I've been using Typewriter since I was in high school, and I love it. And, like, I really do feel like that's the most productive sound I've ever heard in my life. Like, I love being able to hear that. Like, the little soft kind of. Like, I just kind of. I like to be kind of startled by every letter that I type with different sounds. And it's really cool the way it. I mean, it's free, and it's actually in. What do you call it? Stereo, or. Yeah, it's in stereo, so you can, like, hear it on either side of headphones. And so it's that which I use sometimes. And then I feel like there's one more app that I had on there. Anyways, it doesn't Matter. Oh, Freedom, that app that blocks the Internet until you restart your computer. So. But I was using that and then Andy mentioned the Alpha Smart which. Have we ever talked about the Alpha Smart on here?

Andy 20:27

Not on this show. I could have an entire Alpha Smart podcast. I really. To talk about the Alpha Smart.

Tim 20:33

Oh my gosh. Okay. Yeah. So those of you who don't know which maybe most of you do, but I had no idea these existed until Andy told me about them. And I don't know what was that a few months ago when we first started talking about them? And then you brought it up again and so they were their word processors. They're basically a full size keyboard with a screen that's about the size of their. Or something.

Andy 20:59

Yeah, they're the original Hemming, right?

Tim 21:03

Yeah, exactly. They look or free.

Johnny 21:05

Right.

Tim 21:05

They function just like a free write, minus the web syncing.

Andy 21:11

Yeah.

Tim 21:12

Which really doesn't.

Andy 21:14

It's like 2000, 2003 version of the free write.

Tim 21:18

Yeah, yeah. And so it's just a keyboard. You got this little screen. It holds eight files up to 200 pages. And when you're done typing, you plug a USB cord into the back into your computer. You open up a Word document. It could even be Google Docs or something. And you get. Look like you go like you're getting ready to type and there's a send button. And then it just pushes everything on that file onto the open document on your computer, which is really cool because you can actually see it kind of scrolling onto the screen.

Andy 21:49

We should mention that these were like $300 back in the day, like 10 years ago. And what did you buy yours for?

Tim 21:56

I bought two. Yeah, I bought the Alpha Smart Neo and the Alpha Smart Neo 2 and I spent $36 on both of them combined. So I got. I got one for 17.99 and one for $18.

Andy 22:11

I'm so excited. I totally didn't know that like. So that. That ebay auction where you got it from is incredible. They have like. Did you see how many they had? They had like a hundred of them.

Tim 22:21

Yeah. Yeah. Well, see, they. It seems like they were mostly used by schools which for kids to type up papers or whatever like that. And I would love to have these at school, but my kids are not touching this thing. So he must have bought like a whole bunch of discarded ones from a school or something. Here's. Here's mine.

Andy 22:42

Nice.

Tim 22:42

I got it. My hands. And one of my favorite part of mine is that on the back someone scratched Sterling the word Sterling. Or like the name Sterling. Really the back of it, Is that

Andy 22:53

the name of it?

Tim 22:54

Exclamation point. Sterling.

Andy 22:58

So I learned about the Alphasmart when I was in high school and early college. I had something made by Apple Newton which was like Apple's short lived PDA company. I had something called an Emate, which was their first foray into curvy translucent plastic. So it kind of predated the Bandai Blue Mac imac. And I loved it. It was the power of a new message pad which is about the power of Palm Pilot but like in a laptop form factor. And it had a little ergonomic handle on it and it was fantastic. And I took it with me and I just typed forever on that thing. I love that a lot. And it died. And I just never found another good thing like that until I was in a college like features writing journalism class. And somebody came in and said that they like a like a reporter came and talked to the class and said that they used one of these things to write with. And I was like what is this? So an AlphaSmart. And I was like this looks like a new version of the Emate, the Apple Newton Emate. And so at that point it was still way too expensive to buy. So I never got one. But I didn't realize until you bought that Tim, that they were like this cheap again. So I'm so on board. I need to go on ebay and get one.

Tim 24:13

Yeah, there's tons of them out there. And I went on Amazon and you can get them on Amazon too. But most on Amazon end up going for like 45 bucks or something. Yeah, you can get them for as low. I saw some that were of the original Neo that were looked a little more beat up that were as low as 15 bucks.

Andy 24:32

Wow.

Tim 24:33

So I'm already planning to buy like three or four of them. Just stash in the garage and just

Andy 24:38

have just to hoard.

Tim 24:41

I'm sure they're just gonna start dying out on me.

Andy 24:44

But that would be an interesting thing if you had like a student who you saw a lot of like writing potential in but they were just distract by the Internet. You could just break that thing out and be like here, use this for a little while.

Tim 24:54

Yeah, yeah, sure. And they're small, they're really light, they use three AA batteries and those double A batteries will last 700 hours is what they say.

Andy 25:02

Wow, wow. I'm super excited. I think everybody here, if you want to write distraction free on a keyboard, get yourself a Alpha smart.

Tim 25:14

I'll post a Link in that spend $500 on a frigging free ride, right?

Andy 25:18

Yeah, they have a nice mechanical, like, Cherry MX keyboard on the free rides, but still, that's just way too much.

Tim 25:24

Gosh, yeah. It's so expensive. I texted you all because I was on the verge of maybe buying one, because it was basically like getting a new MacBook Air or that. And then I came to my senses. I was like, wait myself in the face. Like, you're an idiot. Don't do that. So. But I got the AlphaSmart Neo 2 and then I ordered an AlphaSmart Neo, which is apparently the same thing. It just has some, like, classroom capabilities taken away, which I won't be using anyways, so. But I'll let you know if there's any difference that I noticed between the two of them. And as I was waiting for it, I was so excited for it that I even made my own, like, version of it to work on my story for a future Plumbago. And I used a Bluetooth Mac keyboard in an old iPhone and turned it sideways, went into the accessibility settings and made this type really big and just used notes and set it in front of me. And the setup was basically exactly like an Alpha, right? But that kind of backfired because now I can't get what I wrote off of that little. I just have to type it back off of it. But I love it so far. I've had it for two full days and I've written a decent bit on it, even, like, taking notes. We're buying a house. And I was talking to somebody at the bank, and as they were talking, I was just using it to take notes about what they were saying. And it was a lot of fun. So I love it.

Andy 26:39

That's awesome.

Tim 26:40

So the only other thing I was going to mention is that I did get the blackwing point protectors, which I'm really. I got the three pack with the gold, silver and black. And I really love them and I've been using them every day. I don't have much to add beyond what's been said before. They're just really great and they're worth it. I think it's actually a really good deal because they're. They're sturdy and that means you don't lose them. These things will last forever. But I got a little overzealous and was using it, like, every day and putting it on pencils and putting them in my pocket, and I put one on a 211, put it in my pocket and got in my Car, which is an old Subaru. It's kind of low to the ground, and I'm a big dude, but I got down and just. It got kind of lodged between my. I guess my side and then my leg and snapped it to 11 right in half, like when I sat down.

Andy 27:29

And then you posted your. Your gore photo to the erasable account

Tim 27:33

like that not safe for work. Yeah, don't look at it. Yeah, I was just really excited to see the reactions from that and just in kind of a selfish way because, like, people are going to be. Feel sick. I. I wasn't that broken up about it. I was like, yeah. Oh, well, yeah. Yeah. I. I still. I sharpen both sides of it. I'm still using it, but it. It made me think of that guy Doug Nichol talked about who uses old stamps and just like, I'm gonna use this thing anyways. So that was. That was sad, but that was my fault too. So it wasn't the fault of the protector. I think the protectors are awesome. Yeah. So. All right, sorry, I've been talking forever. Andy, what are your fresh points?

Andy 28:09

You're a thing about the Alpha Smart was something I really wanted to talk about, so I'm glad we did it.

Tim 28:13

Like a After Dark Alpha Smart episode or something.

Andy 28:17

Let's start an AlphaSmart podcast.

Tim 28:20

Well, we should. We could do an Alpha Smart episode if we. Yeah, we'll talk about this off the air, but we should order you and Johnny One. Hell yeah. Things out there and change the world.

Andy 28:30

We should start an Alpha Smart underground Alpha Smart NaNoWriMo community.

Tim 28:37

Actually, if you go on Instagram and look up the hashtag Alpha Smart.

Andy 28:41

Yeah.

Tim 28:41

A ton of the pictures are people at Write Ins for. For right now. The pictures are people at write ins or NaNoWriMo that were using them at coffee shops and breweries and stuff.

Andy 28:51

That's so cool. All right, all right. The big. The big thing I wanted to mention is Plumbago, which we have talked about plenty of times here before, but they are officially available for pre order, which just basically means that now I need money up front so we can go get it printed. So I have a few things of interest that I just want to mention. First of all, it occurred to me that both Mordecai Lightstone and Father Kyle Sanders and our group have submitted stories so literally, we have submissions by a priest and a rabbi. So I think. I think our new teaser is. What do you. What do you call a priest and a rabbi who contributed to a pencil magazine? Just like a fun joke

Johnny 29:37

what's the answer?

Andy 29:39

Plumbago, issue three. That's the answer. Yeah, they're both really good. Mordecai wrote sort of an invocation about writing with pencil as opposed to other things. We have this really amazing five page typewritten story, like typewriter written story by Harki Jewett, who is in our group as Reason Zebulon. He's really great. It's kind of like a science fiction. I told it kind of felt like a Madam Madeleine Lingle book. Super good. There's a really great series of poems by Vivian Wagner, who wrote about urban sketching in the last issue. There's one that I'm going to try to get her to read and record so we can talk to her about it in the next episode. There's just like lots and lots and lots and lots of really good things. This issue is going to be like more than 60 pages long. It's kind of ridiculous at this point. And I wrote my first short story that I've written in like 10 years. I showed it to our friend Harry C. Marks, who is a multi novelist and he gave me some good feedback. Just a lot of like, you know, sometimes that I use too many commas or I'm using too much like cliche metaphor. Like fantastic feedback. So I have a little bit of work to do there. But yeah, it's going to be 10 bucks on sale right now for 8 bucks. Go get yourself a copy. Oh, did I tell you guys this? So I was wondering, I really wanted to like sweat the font that we used. I wanted to like a really nice typeset font. And I, I was trying to figure out what to do about that and I realized I work at Adobe and Adobe is the like, like the people. Yeah, yeah, the people who like make Typekit, which is like professional typeface and font software. And we, we employ multiple type designers. Like people like Adobe created the font that like the New Yorker uses. Like, it's a, it's, it's Adobe Caslon Pro. And so I was like in the right place to talk about typefaces. So I went to a happy hour at Typekit, where they like every Friday they have bespoke cocktails that somebody invents and they just sit around and drink and talk about type. And I showed up with some examples and I talked to a professional type designer who gave me amazing blunt feedback. But he was friendly and he was patient. So, yeah, he, he was great. So I have a little colophon. So how you say it? Colophon. Colophone. The like Thing where you say what the type is. I have that in the back of the issue, so go read about that. But I'm very pleased with our typeface selection and I hope that you all are, too. So this isn't just me being hyperbolic or, you know, whatever. You should definitely go buy a plumbago if you can't or don't want to get the print edition. If you wait probably a couple months, the PDF edition will be here when the print edition sells out for cheaper. So hop on that. Also, this is probably worth a longer discussion, but I just wanted to talk about. Did you guys get your Baron Fig bags?

Johnny 32:56

I never ordered one.

Andy 32:57

Okay. Did you get one, Johnny?

Tim 32:59

No.

Andy 32:59

Okay.

Johnny 33:00

No, I used to. I use a Timbuktu diaper bag.

Andy 33:03

Okay.

Johnny 33:04

Yeah, I'm that guy.

Andy 33:06

So I ordered a backpack and I got it about a week ago, and there were some. Some talk about, like, how the color. Like, I got the slate blue one and the color is, like, not exactly what was originally represented. And they had some, like, vendor problems. Whatever. That's fine. I actually really like this one. It's kind of a. More of a. Like a dusty gray blue, actually kind of like it better than they said it was. And I. I really love how, like, slim, lined it is. Like, it's very thin. It's very slim. There's. I guess. I guess if I were to give you. I guess it's less than a hot take. It's like a lukewarm take because I've had it for like a week. It's. It's very nice looking and it's very. I love how slim and simple it is. There are some details missing that I wish was in it. Like, I wish it had a few more, like, pockets and like, little clamps and things inside just to, like, clip stuff to. And I. I think the strap. The straps are just plain, like, cotton or nylon or whatever. I wish it was a little bit more padded, but generally I'm happy with it and I, I appreciate the. Like, I think Baron Fig put their usual, like, philosophy of product design into it, which is, like, very, very simple and reductive and straightforward. And I feel like that this is what this backpack is. So, yeah, I'm. I think I'm a fan of it, but I'm not. Like. Like, I've had better bags in my life, but I think, yeah, I like it because it's from my friends at Baron Fig, and I like it because it's. It's very slim. Like, I. If I stand on a Crowded like, like light rail train during rush hour. If I had a bigger backpack, I feel like it would just get in people's way. But this does not. So that's great. Yeah. So bear and figure. I guess I should also mention. So you guys got. Got this. Recently, we have a. A listener, a friend in Tokyo. I believe he's.

Tim 35:01

I believe.

Andy 35:01

I believe he's British. He's living in Tokyo. His name I can't pronounce. It's M, A, T, T, J, S. Mattis is what I would say, but I don't. It looks kind of Nordic. I do not know how to pronounce your name. Sorry. Mattis. He has an Etsy shop called Remain Stationary, and I actually told him he should post this in the group sometime. I don't. But he. He basically sources and sells vintage Japanese children's stationary. And that means that there's a lot of, like, crazy, like, if you think about hello Kitty, like, hello Kitty's pretty, like, in the American mainstream. But if you think about how kind of ridiculous, like, she and her, like, cast of friends are, like, it's kind of weird. He has a whole series of, like, other characters like that. So we have some pencils by this dog called MC Beans, and the packaging says Carefree.

Johnny 36:03

Yeah, those are adorable.

Andy 36:04

Carefree. MC Beans makes blunders, but he is a gentle, pacifist dog. And he had a bunch of, like, other, like, interest. And it's made by Tombow. They're. They're Tombow pencils.

Tim 36:17

Mine are different.

Andy 36:19

Yeah.

Tim 36:19

At least the box I got is different.

Andy 36:21

Yeah, he sent. He sent us, like, three different boxes, and I. I separated it out. So we each got four of the. Of each of the dozens, but I obviously couldn't. So, yeah, there's just really delightful little Japanese characters on the stationary.

Tim 36:38

So come to Pooh Field.

Andy 36:41

Yes, that's right. You got the Pooh Field one.

Tim 36:43

Yeah. Come to Pooh Field, everybody. Yeah, that's all. It has a little bunny and bear on it. They're looking kind of startled. Yeah.

Andy 36:53

So I'm going to. Doing it live. I'm going to check my email real quick, and I'm going to see what his. His thing says, but. Oh, he sent it. He sent us a note and I texted this to you guys, but, okay, here it is. So I will keep a 15% discount active until the end of January 2018. Your listeners in the community want to purchase anything, they can simply use the code erasable FB as in Facebook 15. And that is remainstationary, which I Will put a link to in show notes. So thank you. Thank you, Mattis. This is. These are super fun. Yeah. Last thing I'll mention. Are either of you guys still getting the CW pencil box?

Tim 37:42

No, I'm not right now.

Andy 37:43

Okay. I am. It's nice. I think it's mostly because I forgot to turn it off, but I enjoy the little things that I get. They sent out kind of a wrap up of 2017, sort of our favorite things of 2017 package and included some cool stuff. Like there is a gold fabric Estelle polychrome colored pencil in mine. There's a MD Paper Products. I don't actually know what that is. MD Paper Products. And a Content de Paris 2B Pierre Noir. It has a big thick ledge on it, which is really cool. And they have some stickers and a patch and a really beautiful greeting card by Iron Curtain Press, which is a great little print company in la. So, yeah, go check out the City of Pencils pencil box. I'm a big fan. Oh, and it also has a little desktop calendar, sort of like how Field notes puts out that little like calendar you can like hang at your desk that I assume Meredith made. That's beautiful. And on the back there's like this little table where you could like, you can put the brand name of a pencil and the nave of a pencil and some notes about it. That's really, really cute. So. Oh, Topher says in the chat that MD is Midori products and Mike does as well. So yeah, the MD MD products is Midori. I did not realize that. Awesome. So those are all my fresh points. How about you, Johnny?

Johnny 39:17

So I don't have a lot, but my son is, you know, increasingly drawing now that he's four and he wants to be like a sister and he's left handed. So I've been sort of watching to see what he's going to do with his pencil grip. See if, you know, he's going to be a smearer or barely. There are words for how left handed people hold writing instruments. Like under. In it.

Tim 39:42

Yeah.

Andy 39:43

Underwriter.

Johnny 39:46

Yeah.

Andy 39:47

I don't remember.

Johnny 39:48

Yeah, yeah, yeah. So I put a picture on Instagram and someone mentioned that. But so it got me. It brought up the question of when do kids learn their pencil grips? Because until recently he was holding a pencil grip. Like, you know, a really hungry logger holds the spoon that he eats his porridge with. You know, like, let's go. But, you know, it's getting more nuanced and I didn't teach him to do it and I Don't think they did at school. He just sort of picked it up. So I was wondering if you guys remember, you know, when you started holding a pencil the way that you do, and if it was just something you picked up or something that you had a nun behind you with a yardstick telling you to do.

Andy 40:34

Tim, do you want to go or just.

Johnny 40:35

Should I go?

Tim 40:37

Wait, say that again.

Andy 40:40

Do you want to.

Johnny 40:41

So sorry. The question.

Andy 40:44

Who's on first?

Tim 40:45

The question, who's on first?

Johnny 40:46

Okay, so

Tim 40:50

full disclosure. I just a minute ago, and we edit this, I just went over to check on the Alabama Senate race, and then I picked the worst possible time to glance at a page, and then I missed a question. So I'm sorry. I swear I'm paying attention. I just had to. It hit me all of a sudden. I was like, wait a second. Okay, sorry. Ask the question again.

Johnny 41:12

Okay, so however you hold a pencil, how did that come about? Did someone make you do it or suggest it, or did you just sort of start doing it that way?

Tim 41:23

I have no memory of somebody telling me how to do it. But I also feel spoiled being a righty. When I. As a teacher, when I'm watching my students write, I think about this thing because my son, we still can't tell if he's a righty or a lefty. He still switches back and forth.

Andy 41:38

Oh, wow.

Tim 41:39

He kind of leans righty a little bit. But. But when I. When I watch him, right, I notice that lefties, it's like they've got two choices. They're either kind of hooked around and writing in a weird angle, or they're just very slowly and they're kind of holding their hand below the words or whatever. But then when I look at the righties, it's just all over the place. I mean, some of them are. Have a crazy, you know, crazy ways of holding a pencil. So obviously nobody's teaching them. But for me personally, I don't remember anybody telling me. I just remember because I remember. Well, actually, now that I get into thinking about this, I do remember at some point being told to try to put my fingertips on the pencil. But when I write my middle finger, the pencil kind of sits right near my top knuckle on my middle finger. And then I hold it with my index finger and thumb tips. And I remember at some point a teacher telling me to try to use my only my fingertips. And that was, like, really uncomfortable for me. And so I never started doing that. But I think I was definitely. I think I was mostly left on my Own on that one. Yeah.

Andy 42:51

So I am. I'm a lefty and my mom is a lefty. And so before I ever went to school, I guess anybody who would have given me instruction in my formative years on holding a pencil would have been my mother. But I would say so imagine holding your hand down closest to you and your pencil is above your fingers. Now imagine just slowly rotating that until your hand is at the top and your pencil lead is below. And I would say that most left handers are sort of on the spectrum somewhere on there. So I would say I'm about right in the middle. I usually hold my pencil directly to the right of my fingers. So unfortunately that means that it's a. I'm a smearer. A smearer. And I often. One thing I like about mostly writing in like pocket notebooks is I don't often smear because the paper's a little bit smaller. But I definitely. And I. And I've learned to like write light enough where I don't smear so much. So I. Yeah, I remember in the fifth grade when I guess we sort of like formally learned handwriting and like the proper formation of like, like I think we did it earlier too. But I specifically remember my fifth grade teacher who I didn't like trying to like, she, she. It's funny, she wasn't a nun, but she was, she used to be a nun. Like by the time I had her, she was not. She was not a nun, but she had previously been one and she's just the worst. Like. So I, we had some nuns who I liked, but she would basically come over and be like Andy. Like she would try to like adjust my grip and then like she read how a left handed person writes out of a textbook and I remember just getting so annoyed and snapping at her and just being like, you're not left handed. You don't know. I would like to blame her for my terrible handwriting, but I probably shouldn't do that.

Johnny 44:48

Terrible handwriting.

Tim 44:49

Yeah, I definitely disagree with that.

Andy 44:51

But yeah, I'm a sidewriter, I guess you would call it. But I also know some people who will just turn, turn their paper like at a 90 degree angle and just write completely like sideways.

Tim 45:08

I've seen them.

Andy 45:09

Yeah, I have no idea. There's no way I could do that. Yeah, a lot of people do that. So any.

Tim 45:16

Yeah, I had a girl who almost wrote upside down. I mean I could not figure out how. Yeah, just couldn't figure out how she did it. But she had. I will say that with my Students I usually in every class have two or three lefties. And definitely by percentage, lefties have better handwriting than. Than righties because I think I have. They have to put a lot more time into it. So.

Andy 45:38

Yeah, yeah, so yeah, that's a lot

Tim 45:41

more attention into it.

Andy 45:43

So don't let any. So my mother, my mother went to school, she's so she's left hand like I said, and she, her teacher tried to get her like to switch to right hand. Like tried to teach the right handed is the proper way. And her mother had to actually go in and talk to the principal and tell them that they will not do this because my mom was forced to write right handed for a while and she did worse in school and she was upset most of the time and she didn't want to do her homework and as soon as she was able to switch back to the left hand, she was fine.

Johnny 46:13

Hey, you should do a blog post about the different ways that left handed folks write with pencils.

Andy 46:18

Yeah, that would be interesting.

Johnny 46:20

I mean, being right handed, I'm just thinking about it like, wow, that's more my, you know.

Andy 46:27

You know what, Johnny?

Johnny 46:28

My male white privilege extends my right hand check. Your privilege.

Tim 46:31

Yeah,

Johnny 46:34

we had a nun who explained the pro. You know, the proper pencil grip is your middle finger, your ring finger, I mean your middle finger, your index finger and your thumb forming a, you know, a triangle so that those triangular pencils work really well. She told us to hold a pencil with our thumb and forefinger and rest it on our middle finger, which doesn't work. You can't hold a pencil that way. So I just kept my usual grip. That hurts. So I think I can't do it like that.

Tim 47:02

I think that's what I do. Yeah, so it's like it rests on like near the. Just above the top knuckle on my middle finger. And then I use my index fingers. But I remember a teacher telling me to try to use all of my fingertips, which always felt awkward to me. So.

Johnny 47:17

That sounds painful. Yeah, Yeah, I got a bad head injury in 09. That still bothers me when I write too much. My pencil grip is something I need to work on that I don't work on. So I don't know if my hand still hurts from NaNoWriMo or if I'm using the Ladies Abercrombie and Fitch field notes book. And I'm not supposed to what, but I'm taking a lot of Advil. Anyway, moving on. Speaking of field notes, so we thought we'd do our winter release Guide in the order in which these things came out. So last week we talked about the Field Notes Resolution Edition, which is two checklist notebooks and a date book, but we didn't have them in hand yet, so I thought we'd add those on anyway.

Andy 48:08

Yeah.

Johnny 48:08

Since now we can touch them. But there's that and there's the Blackwing 16.2, the other Blackwing and the right notepads. So.

Andy 48:19

Yeah.

Johnny 48:20

So dive right in the field notes. What did you think of the new field notes, Tim? Did you get it already?

Tim 48:26

I haven't gotten it yet, but I mean I've seen, I saw them at a local shop and I just haven't brought any home yet and I, I'm not sure if I will. I just haven't been in notebook buying mode lately.

Andy 48:35

But you've been in alpha smart buying mode.

Tim 48:38

I have been in alpha smart buying mode, yeah. But I like what I've seen in my. I like that it. Especially that the white one with the red letters reminds me of the game day edition baseball edition, which is one of my favorites. But visually it's a really cool addition. And I like, I always like the, the what do you call it? To do list kind of model where it's got the circles along the side. I find that with pocket notebooks. That's what I use it most of the time. That's what I use it for most of the time anyways.

Andy 49:09

It's almost like a bujo bojo bullet journal.

Tim 49:16

I like that. I like that idea of it. Yeah. So I would use that if I pick some of these up. But the, like, I have just, I've completely accepted the fact that I will never ever be a paper planner person. I've. I've tried since I entered this world of like stationery and podcasts and blogs and I've tried all of them and none of them, I just don't stick with them. It just doesn't work for me. I do much better just with the like kind of free for all to do lists and daily check like every day kind of like jotting down the things I need to take care of and doing it. We have a kind of a big calendar at home where we write things on it and I basically use that and then use the pocket notebook to function. So I don't know if I, I just don't use the pocket planners. But overall it's a really sharp looking addition.

Andy 50:10

Yeah.

Tim 50:11

And I, and I like, I said I like the check mark idea.

Andy 50:16

Yeah. I think they, yeah, they look, they look great. Like, I think they're beautiful. I haven't opened it for, like, or I haven't started using it. A, because I'm, like, still using this Baron fig, like, wallet thing, the Pocket Vanguard cover. So of course I have to put a Pocket Vanguard in it. So I'm still in the middle of that.

Tim 50:40

B,

Andy 50:42

I'm still a little bit mad at Field Notes, so, yeah, I'll open it eventually. Fair enough. Yeah. I mean, we talked about it the last issue, the last episode, but. And it's fine. I'm not really that mad at Field Notes, but I just. Yeah. I have a lot of other, like, pocket notebooks in my life right now, so I haven't, like, dug into it too much.

Johnny 51:05

That's fair.

Andy 51:05

Yeah.

Johnny 51:07

Yeah. I mean, I want to like this one. Like, I appreciate the idea, but, I mean, I don't use notebooks this way, so I don't know what I'm going to do with them.

Andy 51:15

Yeah, it's very prescriptive.

Johnny 51:16

Henry likes blue. He'll probably steal it. And I noticed a lot of people had messed up red covers, which is like, you know, in the grand scheme of things in your life, not a big deal. But, like, every time something comes out, seems like there's some really easy to grab quality control issue that slips by. Well, that's not true. Dime Novel was pretty perfect.

Tim 51:40

Yeah.

Johnny 51:41

Oh, no. A lot of folks had badly stamped covers. I mean, I did. I thought those were kind of cool looking.

Andy 51:45

I thought it was part of the charm. Yeah.

Tim 51:46

I would say even the bad stamping covers, like, kind of looks like the old dime novels.

Andy 51:50

Yeah. They were badly stamped. Yeah.

Johnny 51:53

The corners and spines of those books were perfect.

Andy 51:56

Yeah. Sorry, go on.

Johnny 52:00

Oh, no, go ahead.

Andy 52:01

I do have to say that I think, like, you know, that sort of, like, pseudo, like, checklist layout that they have. It's a lot like word notepads or word notebooks. But the word notebooks are great because they are lined anyway. And it's really easy to ignore those check marks if you want. Whereas the way, like the alternating. What am I saying? Like the alternating colors, like the gray and the white and the gray and the white, makes it a lot harder to just use it like a regular notebook with the resolution. So it feels a little bit more prescriptive to me.

Johnny 52:35

Yeah. Someone in the chat just referred to it as a tired reboot of Ambition, which was the addition from.

Andy 52:42

I loved Ambition.

Johnny 52:43

That's fair.

Tim 52:44

I'm using Ambition right now. That's what I've gotten.

Johnny 52:47

This is definitely not as pretty as ambition.

Andy 52:51

That cracking open the COVID and little sparkles of the gold gilding going off is one of the most satisfying experiences of my life. That's like an ASMR Instagram video.

Johnny 53:03

Yeah, yeah, that one. A really nice paper.

Tim 53:05

Yeah.

Johnny 53:07

Our friend Hagen had some problems with the. From ledfast. Had problems with the paper because it's a gray paper on which they print white ink. So what's white is not bare paper, but it's already printed, which is kind of weird.

Andy 53:19

What does he know? He spills beer all over his field notes.

Johnny 53:26

Oh, man, that's terrible.

Andy 53:27

He's in the chat, so I feel like I could say this

Tim 53:32

in a sort of place.

Johnny 53:35

Should we move on to Blackwing volumes?

Tim 53:38

Yeah. Yeah.

Johnny 53:40

So this one we did not talk about yet. Blackwing Volume 16.2, which is dedicated to famous mathematician and computer programmer Ada Lovelace, whose birthday was this week. But I don't think Blackwing mentioned it in social media, which is weird. But these are matte white pencils with a matte black eraser and. I'm sorry, a matte black ferrule, the white eraser and a glossy gray stamp. And on the back, they're just stamped with the binary code of AAL or all I forgot, which is the way Ada Lovelace signed her letters. And it has the firm core from the 602. So the short version. What do you think of these, Tim?

Tim 54:26

I have one between my lips right now.

Johnny 54:30

He really likes it.

Andy 54:32

He really likes it.

Tim 54:33

Yeah, I was just playing with one and was typing something in the chat and put it between my lips. I think it's fantastic. Andy, thank you for sharing. He sent me a couple of them.

Andy 54:50

Absolutely.

Tim 54:50

And I'm really enjoying it. I, I don't know if I will order more just because of, you know, I have tons of pencils, but I like it a whole lot. The Stormtrooper edition is pretty sharp. Look, I, I, My math isn't too good, so when I first saw 16.2, I thought it was gonna be something about, like, marathon running. But that's 13.1, right? For the half marathon?

Andy 55:14

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Tim 55:16

I'm not, not a math guy. Teach English, but I think the, the feel of it is really interesting. And I think the black barrel kind of the, the matte finish look is. I love it is very cool. It's very cool. And I already want to play around with putting different colored erasers in it. And, you know, we have to acknowledge the fact that they did pay homage to a woman with this edition, which has Been something that's come up in the past or whatever you think about that. But I think they made a good choice here. It's a really cool one. That this is an addition that I felt was really, for me personally, was really edifying. I didn't know the story, I didn't know who she was, and it was interesting to learn about it. And so the pencil actually led me down a path of figuring out more about Ada Lovelace personally, and I enjoyed that quite a bit. And I will use the crap out of the ones that Andy sent me and then maybe order more.

Andy 56:15

Do you want to hear my hacking idea for that? That feral?

Tim 56:19

Of course I do. Yeah.

Andy 56:22

Put it on one of those, like, slightly rubbery Noricas, like the really matte ones, and make a tactical 24 edition. Looks like titanium Blackwing 24. That'd be fun.

Johnny 56:41

Oh, I can send you a matte

Andy 56:43

black Wopex and it can be like. Yeah, I'm not even going to say rubber wing.

Johnny 56:53

Do you.

Andy 56:54

Johnny, do you want to. Do you want to talk about. Should we talk about Matthias's blog post?

Johnny 57:00

Well, our friend Matthias from Bleichdift

Andy 57:06

called

Johnny 57:06

into question the math whereby they got 16.2, and honestly, I don't understand it at all, so I'm just gonna. I just took his word for it. So he thinks that they just sort of looked up on Wikipedia, which could be true. I mean, I have no idea. But yeah, if folks want to check it out, we could put that in the show notes. He had a good case for it. And also that's a blog we should plug more because it's a really, really good blog. Yeah,

Andy 57:37

he's not really in the Palomino Blackwing camp. He's not really a big fan of practices and their marketing and their reappropriating the Blackwing brand. But he did have. He did have a good idea or a good point in that he kind of led us through what he guesses the thought process was. And it's funny that we had the same thought, but we drew different conclusions to it because he was like, oh, we have to make a pencil to honor a woman. So Ada Lovelace and 16.2. And so I see that. I'm like, great. They're having the forethought to say, oh, hey, we need to step out of ourselves. We're all like, I think mostly white dudes are just dudes at blackwing, and we need to. It's about time we have a woman or a person of color or something. Something Else, like as a tribute. So I'm on board with that. I think Ada Lovelace is cool and I guess I don't care about the math that much. Although Ada Lovelace would care about the math and Charles Babbage would care about the math. But that's not my bag, I guess. What do you think, Johnny? About 16o. And it writes really well. I think it's a. It's a 602 core and I love the way it feels that like satin finish that feels like a Baron fig Archer to me in like. Like it's balanced differently but has that same like satin feel to it. What do you think? What do you think about it, Johnny?

Johnny 59:04

Yeah, a lot. Well, a lot of people suggested they should have used the extra firm core or even come up with a really firm core, like the H or the 2H from the Palomino line, which would have been really cool because those pencils manage to be. I mean, they're still not hard pencils, but they're smooth and they definitely stay sharp a lot longer. But one thing that's popped up a couple times that popped up with volume one was really small quality control issues where ferrules returned or in a few of mine, the ferals weren't actually pushed down all the way, but I can push them down. It was fine. But they mentioned that they have new machinery. I know they used to put them on by hand, which obviously wasn't sustainable.

Andy 59:49

Can you imagine?

Johnny 59:49

I was wondering.

Andy 59:51

It takes so long. I mean, we don't know their numbers, but I'm sure that's a lot.

Johnny 59:56

Yeah, I mean, each time they took care of it, at least for the folks in our group. Nick is on top of everything, which is great. But yeah, I think this one. I noticed the last time there was a Star wars movie, they sort of like obliquely referenced Star wars with the 1138.

Andy 1:00:12

Oh yeah.

Johnny 1:00:13

And now there's a new Star wars movie coming out and there's a Stormtrooper looking one, which was probably an accident, but.

Andy 1:00:19

Yeah. Did you see somebody made a like Star wars lineup out of the black wings. They took a 530 and it was C3PO because he's gold and they took a. He took the Yankees one because it's white and blue, like R2D2 and then the Stormtrooper one and then I think they took a 24 and it was Darth Vader. I can't remember who it was who posted that. I'll have to look that up. But it was great.

Johnny 1:00:45

I loved It.

Tim 1:00:47

Yeah.

Johnny 1:00:47

That was awesome.

Andy 1:00:48

Yeah.

Johnny 1:00:48

This one's really. It's wintry. You know, the matte white looks very snowy and good. I appreciate it. Would look really good with the. When they came out two years ago, the snow blind from field notes, those matte white notebooks they used.

Tim 1:01:03

All mine up.

Johnny 1:01:03

That would look really good. Those would look really good together. Yeah. I mean, I liked it a lot.

Andy 1:01:09

Yeah, I was a big fan.

Johnny 1:01:10

I feel like this is three hits in a row.

Tim 1:01:13

Yeah. Well.

Andy 1:01:15

Well, I mean, for you. No, the. The volume one was fine. Really. It just.

Johnny 1:01:20

Just.

Andy 1:01:20

Just fugly.

Johnny 1:01:24

We call it the sweater pencil around here.

Tim 1:01:26

Sweater pencil.

Johnny 1:01:30

I think they're all gone. Everybody took them all.

Tim 1:01:32

The color. The color of the volume one kind of reminded me of the color of the. This is going to be super gross. So maybe this is like a warning for people to look away, but when I used to work in the meat department, the color of the raw pork chops. No, worse than that. The color of the intestinal lining that we use to make sausages.

Johnny 1:01:56

Jesus. Blackwing volume tmi.

Andy 1:02:03

Volume guts.

Tim 1:02:05

Yeah, sorry about that. But that's. Seriously. I thought. I thought about that. When I saw. I was like, that's a. That's a very weird color. I like gray. That was a gray. That was like. It's. It's not easy to make gray ugly. But yeah, it was a little borderline. But I do like our theory that we talked about that if they were trying to go for the cigarette.

Andy 1:02:26

Yeah.

Tim 1:02:26

He was holding. Then they. I mean, that's pretty.

Andy 1:02:28

That was. That was great. Yeah.

Johnny 1:02:30

Oh, my God.

Andy 1:02:31

Should we talk about the Blackwing 504?

Johnny 1:02:33

Yeah. Yeah. So there was a little bit of a stir on the interwebs. When was this? Last week when the 16.2 came out for subscribers. It came with a note telling them that. Oh, first it came with an extra pencil. Right. You got your normal pencil and a tube, and you got another pencil in a tube that had green caps. That was a natural finish black wing with an extra firm core and a green eraser, which is gorgeous. And folks, at least in our Facebook group have been calling for a natural finish, extra firm Blackwing we have on the show. So there was a little postcard in your subscription box saying that if you logged into your account on blackwing602.com and visited a certain URL on December 5th, you could buy up to two boxes of them. So, you know, a lot of folks felt like maybe these should have been available to everybody and not just subscribers. And then there were subscribers who didn't get to buy them because they ran out. And there were subscribers who were afraid they weren't going to get to buy them and got mad me. But then, you know, got to buy them anyway. So that's the backstory. And the website had some problems because I think folks crashed it, but they were taking orders, like, by phone, in person. Everybody that ordered them got them. So that was good.

Andy 1:04:03

That's why we called it. Some of us called it the Blackwing 504 because you got a 504 error for the server being timed out. So, I mean, Blackwing 1917 is fine, but definitely the 504 is more fun.

Johnny 1:04:18

But the pencils themselves are ridiculously gorgeous and I don't feel like they write the same as my 24s and 530s.

Andy 1:04:26

I wonder. I wonder because it has such a different, like, because it's an extra from a core, like in a natural finish. It's such a completely different, like, feel to it. So I don't know. I mean, I'm sure that's not why it doesn't write the same, but you're right, like, there's something a little bit different about it.

Tim 1:04:43

Yeah.

Johnny 1:04:44

Yeah.

Tim 1:04:44

I mean, they're fantastic.

Andy 1:04:46

Yeah, I'm a big fan and I'm definitely. I feel like I'm going to use three of them and put the rest of them away because, like, yeah, I should. I should hoard these for a while. I'll try not to use too many of them. But I do have to give a major shout out to. Oh, who was it in the group? I think it was. Oh, I'm looking through my. Yeah, Paul Hoffman. So he organized a really amazing. Oh, hey, Paul, you're in the. Yeah, you're in the. In the chat, you. So Paul organized a very fantastic, like, swap. It was basically like, hey, if you are a member and you ordered two dozen of these, would you donate a dozen to people who are not members and just like, like, give away one. One pencil. And so he got. I think he got everybody covered. He had like 50 some people who wanted to get a single and he had, like, enough people to give them away. So, Paul, that was an amazing thing you did. You should be proud of yourself. And this is. This is why even though, like, sometimes social media can get kind of hyperbolic and reactionary and full of hot takes, something like, our community is still, I think, a net positive just because of stuff like this. So, yeah, that was. That was really cool. Yeah, so that, that's. That was the 504. I. I did love the limited edition. I. Yeah, I didn't quite love like the way they went about it, but yeah, I'm glad that this exists and I hope that something like this is still added to the regular lineup.

Tim 1:06:22

Like yeah, if they like money, yes, they should make this available because people would flip out and it would sell forever. I mean especially within our community know makes up a pretty healthy dose of business. I just think this is like a no brainer and I mean I would totally understand. I understand the exclusivity of this edition which I'm looking at right now, the 1917 only. I only understand it if they're going to come out with one, you know, similar within a couple weeks that's going to be basically the same pencil without the special green stamping, without the cal cedar since 1917 and just be the Palomino Black Wing. Whatever the name they come up with. Yeah. Natural or whatever it is. And then a pink eraser or whatever they decide to go with and people would flip out and they would sell forever. I just don't get it.

Andy 1:07:15

I don't want to get all cocky, but I definitely think that if that happens, I'm just going to call it the Blackwing Erasable because our community basically designed this thing. Yeah.

Johnny 1:07:25

Especially if it has that silver ferrule and pink eraser.

Tim 1:07:28

Yep. Oh, silver would be fantastic. But oh my man.

Johnny 1:07:31

But I would lose sleep over that pencil.

Tim 1:07:34

I just, I just, it's. This is a take my money situation. Like just make it and we will.

Andy 1:07:39

We will give you our make it

Tim 1:07:41

and we will come see and other currencies. Yeah. Build it and then we will come. I actually watched that yesterday. That's weird. Yeah. Builder dreams.

Johnny 1:07:48

Yeah. Oh my.

Tim 1:07:54

So

Johnny 1:07:56

the next one which just came out I'm gonna talk about this week. I got mine Saturday. So the Right Notepads Goldfield edition came out.

Andy 1:08:07

Can you talk about my Chris Roth from Right Notepads and company who's based in Baltimore, Maryland. Perhaps you've heard of it. Had an edition where he came out with. It's called the Gold Field and I'm. Nope. You know, you got to take it over because I can't remember that boxer's name. Johnny, sorry, I failed.

Johnny 1:08:24

Oh, Joe Ganz.

Andy 1:08:25

Yes. He came out with an addition.

Johnny 1:08:27

Now go take back in.

Andy 1:08:29

Yeah, Joe Ganz, he's a boxer. He had a club called the Gold Hotel. Hotel. Never mind.

Johnny 1:08:38

I'm not going to talk about the famous club.

Andy 1:08:39

Johnny knows more about Baltimore than I do, surprisingly. Yeah, Johnny, take It over.

Johnny 1:08:47

Okay, so Joe Gans was the first African American boxer to have a world boxing title. And, you know, there's a dispute of whether he held it continuously from 1902 to 1908. But sometime in the middle of there, someone challenged him and said, you know, I'm the champion. And Joe Gans is like, no, I'm the champion. So they had a big boxing match in Goldfield, Nevada. And it was like 42 rounds, like crazy, crazy long match. Joe Ganz won and he took home all the money and opened a hotel in Baltimore called the Goldfield that had a famous bar where Eubie Blake played. And Jack Johnson always stopped there on his way into town. And where it is now is like the main post office building. It's gone, but just right smack in the middle of Baltimore.

Andy 1:09:36

Well, this, this edition is just like, I think so. I, I think kindred spirit remains my favorite right. Notepads edition. But I think that this has taken over second place. It is amazing. I like, there's nothing, there's nothing I don't like about it. Like, the box that it came in is super thick and luscious. This, like, this doesn't even feel like, like cardboard. It just feels like, it feels like plastic, but it's made out of cardboard. And it has this UV spot color on it that's very like, has these Victorian like floral patterns. And then Joe Ganz is like cut out on the front of it and then he uses this bright, bright, bright gold leaf, like gold stamp, says the gold field. And then like the stuff on the back and it's, it's amazing. And then you open it up and it has. So it has like black, black notebooks with like the gold stamp on it. And it has also a very faint Victorian style, like floral print, like ornate spot coating to it. But it's not as. It's a lot more subtle. So when you look at it straight on in the sunlight, you don't see it at all. But the moment you turn it, you can see that pattern and it just look, it looks amazing. Um, yeah, Mike Hagen in the chat is saying that it's 24 gold, 24 karat gold stamped, which I believe it. I, I wouldn't be surprised if like Chris has gone like way into the hole for, for these things. Like, they're so well produced. I hope that he made some money off of it. Johnny, you probably know the intel, but I won't press onto that.

Johnny 1:11:13

No, this has been in production for er and in the works for a long time.

Andy 1:11:17

Yeah.

Johnny 1:11:19

Is that the first edition of it?

Andy 1:11:21

I messaged Chris yesterday just to tell him how amazing it was when I got it. And he says that so he has like a big picture of Joe Ganz on his wall. And so every edition came with like a little almost like a baseball, like trading card of him. And he said that they, he used that, that picture that hangs on his wall for the scan for this thing. So yeah, this isn't like some fly, like some fair weather fan chip of Chris's. He's like a huge, huge fan. Which is cool and correct me if I'm wrong, but this is the first limited stationary edition that pays tribute to a person of color, isn't it?

Tim 1:11:56

Yep. Yep.

Andy 1:11:58

Taking this long, guys. Yeah,

Johnny 1:12:04

kudos, Chris.

Tim 1:12:05

I'm rolling through them in my head, but yeah, that's right.

Johnny 1:12:08

Yeah, the subscriber extra was really cool too and that you get that if you buy the deluxe pack. In addition to the pencils, there's a little coin that apparently they'll really honor you. Show up at right. Notepads and it's good for one free drink.

Andy 1:12:20

Hell yeah, I'm going to do that. So I have to talk about these pencils because to me this is like the star of it. And I actually today just bought six more of those pencils on the website. But they're bridge pencils, which means that they are very thin. They're probably, I would say they're like 2/3 the diameter of a regular size pencil. So they're pretty skinny.

Tim 1:12:43

Are they the same size as the like Hester and Cook bridge pencils or.

Andy 1:12:47

They're exactly those. I'm. I'm assuming they're both made by Musgrave. Um, okay, but. But for some reason, like whenever Chris is like a Musgrave whisperer because he, whenever he gets his pencils made at Musgrave, they're always so much nicer than other Musgrave pencils being made. For example, the Franklin Kristoff pencils. But yeah, Musgrave is the only people in America and as far as I can tell, the only people I've seen anywhere that have bridge pencils still. And there's been a lot of talk about, like, why they're called bridge pencils. And I think the popular theory is that they're thin enough to tech, to tuck into a deck of cards

Johnny 1:13:28

when

Andy 1:13:29

you, like when you're playing bridge. So when you're done, you keep, you keep score with it and then you can just tuck it in your. Tuck it into your cards. So I'VE have, I have a few vintage bridge pencils and I have some Hester and Cook bridge pencils but this one, I mean I love it because a, like every right notepads pencil is left handed so the, the stamp is printed so it's right set up when you hold it in your left hand because Chris is a fellow lefty. But also just, just, just like the black, dark black pencil and the bright, bright gold feral and then the, the gold field stamp on it. So I can't say enough good things about this edition. Chris, this is incredible. Even, even Brad Dowdy said, I think he said that this is the best, this is the best pocket notebook currently made out there right now by, by red notepads. So I, I agree. Yeah. And he's definitely like the smallest shop I guess you would say out of people who at least I can tell are making them. So yeah, this Goldfield edition is so good. I hate to just. I just took up. I just monopolized everybody's time there. So sorry. Yeah, you covered it all.

Tim 1:14:42

As someone who. I don't have these on hand but listening to you talk about them. I have just ordered some.

Andy 1:14:47

Nice.

Tim 1:14:48

Yeah, they're on the way. I didn't have them yet and I was. Life's been so crazy. I had time to look at it and just hearing you talk about I was like in looking at pictures and things, I mean I'm definitely on board. They look fantastic, look gorgeous and love the idea behind them.

Johnny 1:15:04

So yeah, they changed the paper up this time too. It's a cream stock instead of the usual bright white which was nice. It blends in with the black and gold.

Andy 1:15:14

Yeah.

Johnny 1:15:14

Oh and I mean at the risk of being right notepad advertisers, they have free shipping right now for the rest of the year.

Tim 1:15:20

Nice.

Johnny 1:15:20

Which is pretty awesome.

Andy 1:15:22

Just use offer code with free shipping.

Johnny 1:15:27

Offer code check out

Tim 1:15:30

and they. I remember or if I'm not mistaken, they still have jumbos available.

Johnny 1:15:37

Yeah, yeah, I think so.

Andy 1:15:41

I do want to mention real quick.

Tim 1:15:42

Oh no, they're sold out. Sorry.

Andy 1:15:44

This is a trick I've learned from, from right notepad shopping cart is which. Okay so last, last episode I had some, some words for right notepads. But I can only assume he was working on this thing because he's. And I never said it's like creativity isn't amazing. So if you leave items in your shopping cart in the situation where you don't have free shipping, like when you have to pay for shipping, just leave the item in the shopping cart for like a day. And then you will get an email saying like, hey, you've abandoned items in your shopping cart. Check out with this coupon code and get free sh. So, yeah.

Tim 1:16:21

Oh, wow.

Andy 1:16:25

Yeah. Anyhow. Yeah. Oh, Lenore says in the chat that the paper really glows under UV light. Like it's really bright. That's. I will have to try that. That's amazing. All right. Should we button up, guys?

Tim 1:16:41

Yeah, yeah, that sounds good. So we want to name one Christmas item and then. Oh, yeah, we're out of here. And are we going to say this is a Christmas item for a pencil user or a non pencil user?

Andy 1:16:58

Johnny, what do you think?

Johnny 1:17:02

Well, this is erasable.

Andy 1:17:04

Yeah. How about. This is. These are tips.

Tim 1:17:06

We're all alone in our obsession, though.

Andy 1:17:08

How about these are tips for pencil users to give non pencil users a little bit. Like to get them. To get them on our side a little bit.

Tim 1:17:19

Yeah, yeah, that sounds good.

Johnny 1:17:21

Open their eyes.

Tim 1:17:23

I'll start out and I've got two answers. The first answer, which is super obvious, but to give someone who you think might be sort of a like closet pencil or somebody who likes to write, just to seriously give them them a dozen Blackpink 602s and for them to experience, like the packaging, the look of those pencils that are unlike anything they've seen. And then if you give it to them, you really have to give it to them and then sit down with them to write with them. You can't just say, here you go, or they're going to disappear. But if you sit down and I found that people who've never used them before, if you actually put it in their hand and say, right, with this thing, they're going to be amazed. I think they'll really like that. But then the other answer I have, and this is going to save people a lot of money if they're not already doing this, because I've done this for sure. Sure is the perfect gift pick during the holidays for somebody you think might like pencils. For all of you listeners who have 700 pencils in your closet right now is to make a sampler pack of like your favorite ones. I mean, that's a really cool gift. And be like, it's like a curated thing of pencils. And be like, hey, just wanted to let you know I picked these out because I think you'll like them. These are some of the nicest pencils ever made. Yeah. And you should, you should try them out. And I think that's a really cool Way to get into the. The. The holiday season with. With pencils. Just to make it like a curated half dozen.

Andy 1:18:40

Absolutely.

Tim 1:18:41

Pencils that'll probably last the average person, you know, a year or. Or something. Or more. Yeah. Using them to get them. Maybe curate a little half dozen pencils and then give them a nice sharpener, like a brass bullet or something. That's simple. And they can hold on to even the keychain. Brass bullet from. From a CW pencils would be. Would be perfect. Perfect. Perfectly paired with a half dozen little curated pack.

Andy 1:19:07

Absolutely. I guess my pick would be. Yeah, like, if you were. If you have a bunch of pencils, like, curate your own sample pack if you don't want to do that or you can't do that. I really love the pencils in the sketchbook sampler pack from CW pencils. I mean, they're mostly darker pencils, but there's some really interesting ones. Like, there's a Blackwing MMX in there. There's like, like a Geoso 8B mini jumbo pencil, which is great. Like, I think that a lot of people don't realize how nice a dark pen, darker pencil can feel. So that's kind of a good way to do it. And then besides that, like, I think Caroline's book would be really fantastic just to read. To read about. Yeah, I've been. I've been doing some. I've been at some book swaps lately, and I think anytime I can, I'm going to, like, include her book as my pick in the swap. Just to read about, like, the history of pencils and how. How interesting. Interesting they are and how deep people think about pencils, which I think a lot of our friends who think we're freaks, that's something they don't realize. So that's my gift pick. How about you, Johnny?

Johnny 1:20:17

Well, I'm gonna go with two. One for people that you're trying to convert and one for people who already like pencils. So for people that already like pencils, get them a masterpiece because it's the best sharpener and it works with everything. And it's like, it's just expensive enough that you can justify it being a print present. And it's super easy to wrap too. You don't have to wrap it. You can shake hands with someone and they're like, what is this weird neoprene case? You're like, the best pencil sharpener ever.

Andy 1:20:43

Yeah.

Johnny 1:20:45

And then you go have a whiskey and Merry Christmas or Happy Holidays. So for folks that aren't super into pencils, Something from the Blackwing volumes or other notebooks. Like, the slate comes with a Blackwing and it's a really nice notebook that has the form factor of a Moleskine. So it's not so out there. If someone's into stationery but not into pencils, that could be a good gateway. Like, oh, look at this cool notebook. Oh, it comes with a cool pencil. It matches. Wow. Awesome. Subscribe to Black Wing Volumes.

Andy 1:21:16

I just gave my Slate Pearl sample to a coworker of mine who's a really amazing sketchnoter. She ran out of notebook space, so I was like, take this.

Johnny 1:21:26

Yeah, I get one of those for Charlotte. She really likes the pro.

Andy 1:21:30

Yeah.

Johnny 1:21:31

And all of my 16.2s also. Hey, kids. Yeah. So we could even do like a post in the group for some more gift ideas. Because I think half the stuff I bought this year that wasn't Thomas. The train was probably stationary. Go figure. I think I bought like six mole skins for people. Yeah. So I don't think we're going to be back before the end of the year, are we?

Andy 1:21:59

I don't think so.

Johnny 1:22:00

Maybe perhaps right after. Yeah. If not. Happy happy New Year.

Andy 1:22:04

Happy Christmas, everybody. And Happy New Year.

Tim 1:22:06

That's.

Andy 1:22:06

That's awesome. It's been. 2017 has been. Well, let's not get into 2017, sort of like at large, but 2017, our own personal 2017s and like our little community 2017s have been. Been really fantastic. So there's been so many interesting things coming out. There's been some drama that has happened, but in general this has been great. So I'm so glad we could do another year of this thing.

Tim 1:22:39

Absolutely.

Johnny 1:22:40

2017 brought our friends at RSVP podcast into existence. Yeah, that's super. Plus.

Andy 1:22:47

Yeah. Plumbago. I guess Plumbago technically started existing in 2016, but it really took, took, took life in 2017.

Johnny 1:22:54

Yeah. So shoot for the stars. So we are Erasable. This is episode 87, which you can find at erasable us87, the Facebook group that we're always talking about, if for some reason you are not a member, is@facebook.com groups erasable. And it is a private group so your bosses and spouses and co workers can't see all of your pencil nerdery on facebook.com erasable there's our official sort of mouthpiece. We're also on Twitter and Instagram raceablepodcast. Tim and Andy, where can folks find you guys on the Internet?

Tim 1:23:38

You can find me on Twitter imwassum and I'm on Instagram imathewassum I am@woodclinch.com

Andy 1:23:47

for my blog and Andy Coffee for my Internet website. Johnny how about you?

Johnny 1:23:55

I AM on Pencil Revolution.com I think I'm going to get off Twitter because bleh. And I'm on Instagram at my name. Yeah, thanks for listening and happy. End of 20.

Tim 1:24:16

The intro music for the Erasable Podcast is graciously provided by this Mountain, a collaborative folk rock band from Johnson City, Tennessee. You can check out their music at www.thismountainband.com. If I could just count the time

Andy 1:24:40

this has happened before.