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John Gamble, you're a wiggle worm.
You got spanked for being a wiggle worm.
Yep.
Jokes on her. I peed on a grave.
Hello, and welcome to the 75th episode of the Erasable Podcast. I am your host for the evening, Tim 10B Wasam. And I'm joined as always, by my two cohorts in graphite, Andy Welfle and Johnny Gamber. Greetings, fellas.
Hey, how are you doing?
Well, how are you, Johnny?
Hello. Fantastic.
We should Change that from 10B Tim to 3. Take Tim.
It's always 3. And this one's not done yet, so
we're gonna have to do it again.
No, no, no.
Tonight we are also joined by a aficionado of Indian pencils, friend from the Erasable Group, and Doors apologist and fellow Cubs fan, Mr. Mike Hagen from Leadfast. How are you doing?
Good, how are you?
Welcome.
It's good to hear your voice.
Thanks for having me.
I had to bring up the Doors. I'm sorry.
Yeah, we were. Twitter chat. What do you call it? Direct messaging about it. Yeah, Texting. It's just texting. We're just texting about it.
Slide into each other's DMs.
We're really happy to have you. Been looking forward to this for a while. We've been planning on it and I'm glad it worked out. So why don't we just dive right in as we always do, with tools of the trade and as always, guests go first. So, Mike, why don't you take it away?
Okay. So what we do. Consuming what we're consuming and what we're writing with. Is that right? Okay. So. Well, I'll do. I'll start with writing with. I'm writing with an Apsara Absolute. And I am writing in my Erasable and write notepads pocket ledger so that you sent me, Tim.
Nice.
Yeah.
And I am consuming a tasty beverage from Kelso, Tennessee. I don't know anybody has heard of Pritchard's Whiskey, but Pritchard's Tennessee Whiskey. I'm drinking the double barrel bourbon that.
Yeah.
And TV and media stuff. I am consuming season 142 of the Chicago Cubs this year. It's not going very exactly how I thought it might go this year so far. So we're hoping it turns around towards the later part of the season.
It does feel bizarre to complain about a 500 team considering the last like
under 500 after yesterday, I think.
Oh, that's true.
And then I'm actually reading a Cubs book called the Plan. By David Kaplan. And I'm also reading Caroline's book, the Perfect Pencil. Or Pencil Perfect. I'm about halfway through it. I'm. I read very slowly.
It's such a pretty book. I could just flip through that thing all day.
It's weird how it doesn't. That design, like, does not transfer through to, like, the Internet. Like, it does not look like that when you look at it on the computer screen.
Mm. But it looks beautiful in reality, like, the outside. And, like, the COVID Yeah, like the
COVID It's like that salmon, Millennial pink, whatever you want to call it, just doesn't look the same when you're looking at it on eraser pink. We'll say that it does not look the same when you're looking at it, like, on a. Like, on a screen. But it just is beautiful in real life. And I think maybe the subtlety of the, like, pencil drawings don't come through.
Oh, for sure. Yeah.
All those drawings are awesome. Yeah.
And even the. We had access to a kind of a PDF preview before we bought our copies of the book. And, yeah, when you get it in person, those really, I mean, jump off the page. They're really well done. You also, we missed out on those amazing drawings on the inside covers, on both sides, all the pencils. All the pencil stubs that she used to write write the book, which is now, like, one of my favorite, favorite things to look at. So that was really cool. All right, thanks, Mike. How about you, Andy?
Well, I'm going to steal Johnny's consuming or one of them, because apparently we're. We're watching the same thing, which is the Handmaid's Tale on Netflix.
We watch it together, we get on Skype.
We just talk our way, like, oh, my God, I can't believe she said that. By his eye.
I never thought I'd actually say this and be serious, but there's an app for that.
Have you heard about this?
Like, that, like, syncs up your Netflix with somebody. What? I forget.
I think they talked about.
Oh, wait, wait, don't tell me. Pretty sure. But yeah, you can, like, sign up for an account and then, like, meet it with a friend, and then it starts an episode at the exact same time, and you can, like, talk to each other during it.
That's so good.
I forget what it's called.
I can't think of, like, a bigger waste of bandwidth in my life, but that sounds amazing.
Oh, I can maybe.
Streaming audio to 30 people about pencils.
Yeah. Streaming a White Sox game. I think that.
So watching The Handmaid's Tale. I just finished the book a couple weeks ago. I'm to the point where they start diverging from the book a little bit, because I don't know if you guys saw this. It's been renewed for season two. Just like. But there's. No, that's not how it works. But.
Alexis Bledel.
Yeah. I don't know how they do this. Johnny and Mike, have you watched the show at all?
Yeah.
Okay.
No, I haven't.
How? They get Alexis Bledel's face to just, like, look. So they must use such harsh lighting. Like, you can see, like, every freckle and they look like liver spots.
Like, every freckle.
Every wrinkle. Wrinkle, yeah.
It could be that she watched that Gilmore Girls reboot and it took some of her soul away, took some of mine away.
I just keep waiting as they're, like, walking down the street together, like her and Elizabeth Moss. I keep expecting her to just, like, just be super chatty and just talk about what's going on around them. Just, like, super Gilmore Girlsy.
But no, no, not like Jess and Don Draper to come out and meet him for coffee. They go get drunk.
So, no, it's. It's. It's very good. It's intense, but it's good. I'm the second to last episode. I'm almost done, and I am still reading that Cory Doctorow book I talked about last time because I love to read, but lately I have been pretty slow. And I am writing with. Don't hate me. I'm writing with a pen. It is the new Baron Fig Squire, which I'll talk about in a little bit. And I am writing into a Write Notepads.
Reporter's Notebook.
Nice. Johnny, how about you?
I am also watching the Handmaid's Tale, but I think I'm a little behind you. I'm only up to episode four because lately I just kind of fall asleep at night. And I didn't fall asleep last night. And I caught the first episode of season three of Broadchurch. Have you guys seen Broadchurch?
I've seen a couple episodes in the first season, yeah.
So they wrapped it up with season three in the UK last month. So if you live in America and you want to watch it, you have to be creative about how you get it. So, yeah, it's worth. I mean, you know, season three starts off like all the other ones, very creepy and awesome with a really cool Scottish accent. And I started reading Anne Lamott's Bird by Bird recently, which is a book about writing that you guys have commented you like, which is cool.
Gosh.
And I just found out she went to the college I went to, but I was wondering why they never talk about it. And that's because she dropped out. She's not a Coucher alum. She just went to Coucher for a little while.
So it's a.
Probably given away a half dozen copies of that book over time. Like, it's just like one of those books that I've. Every time I get a copy, I end up giving it to somebody else.
Yeah, that's got a really cool cover. There's a Raven, so. Hey, that's cool.
That is cool.
There's a big A conference for the thing that I do called content Strategy. It's called Confab. The conferences, and they always have a big keynote speaker that sort of relates to it. It's always about, like, writing or literacy or something like that. This year is going to be LeVar Burton, which is awesome, but.
Oh, man, that's cool.
Two years ago, it was Anne Lamott, and she clearly had no idea, like, what the conference was for, for, like, writing interfaces and content strategy. And she just, like, rambled for like an hour and a half. And I'm just like. Just like. I just don't. I just don't get it. I just don't get it. And everybody's like, oh, this is amazing.
She's so great.
And then I, like, read a little of a writing. I was like, okay, I get it more now. But she is insane on Twitter. Do you guys follow her on Twitter?
Yeah, it's so good.
But it's so bad. It's like Cher. It's like Cher's Twitter.
She's nuts.
It's awesome. Awesome. So, like, Tim, I'm writing a Blackwing clutch notebook, which we'll talk about more later, with a Blackwing 205, which I am using because it's here, not because I like it. Sorry.
Because it's here.
Close your eyes. And it's a fine pencil.
Yeah, I think we had a term for that early on, didn't we?
Can we say it out loud? Ding.
I'll just ding it out.
Ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding. How about you, Tim?
I just finished a great book today called Binti, and I'm going to probably butcher the pronunciation of the author's name, but her name is Ennetti Okorafor, I believe is her name. She's a sci fi writer. And so I found this book because I was. You know, I've talked about this several times. But I love novellas and I love just the craft of writing a short novel. And so I put a call out on Twitter and just asked people for recommendations and somebody recommended this, which won the Hugo and the Nebul award for best novella and looked it up on Amazon, found it on Kindle, and there was a quote by Neil Gaiman praising it on Amazon. That was all I needed. So I read it and it was fantastic. It's this wild, like simple but wild story about this character named Binti who's from. From Earth and she's traveling a long distance on this spacecraft to go to this, which is what seems like the best university in the galaxy. There's only like 5% humans there. But on the way there something like really traumatic and crazy happens. So I don't want to give away too much in case anybody wants to read it because it's. I totally recommend it and I'm not even a big sci fi fantasy or sci fi guy, but this really was a great book. And then there's. She just in January came out with a sequel, which is also a novella. It's called Binti Home is the name of it. You can get it on Kindle for like four bucks and then add the audio for a dollar or something crazy like that. So it's a. It's an amazing deal. She's a professor at, I think it's the University of Buffalo. She's a creative writing professor there. So I definitely recommend that. And then on this, as a. A pivot from mentioning Neil Gaiman, I'm also watching American Gods.
How is that?
Which is fine. Land. It is awesome.
Good.
Good.
It is so good. Yeah.
Is it awesome in that it's true to the book or is it awesome that it's a good, completely separate kind of a thing?
It's its own thing, but in the best way possible. Because that book, if you've read the book, I mean, it's messy.
Yeah.
It's kind of all over the place and you can't do it just kind of COVID to cover. Yeah, that's not going to work. And also they've made some amazing updates because the book was written in 1995. So you have these characters like technical boy who, in the book, it wouldn't have made any sense for that version of him to be in this show. So they had to update him and make him more high tech and.
Yeah.
And also they just. They mess with the timeline all they want and the casting is just perfect. It could not be better. So I really love it. There's only been, there's been three episodes so far. I subscribed to Stars through Amazon for like eight bucks a month so that I could watch it. And I haven't watched the third one yet, but so good. Ian McShane as Mr. Wednesday is perfect. He's just the perfect pick because I adored him from Deadwood, which a show that I could never get enough of. But. And there's, there's all these people that are in the show that when I saw them, I can never remember the guy's name, but he was the nihilist and the Big Lebowski.
Oh, yeah. Peter Stormare.
Yeah. So he, he wanted. So he's. He's playing the part of. Oh gosh, what's his name, the Slavic God Chernobog guy who carries the big hammer. And so, so there's him and Ian McShane and all and all these other just amazing fits for the characters. I found out that all the ones that I really loved, which is most of them, I found out in an interview that those people came to them asking for the part, you know, because they, they felt it was a good fit. Oh, Orlando. Orlando Jones playing Mr. Nancy. So good. Sorry if this is gibberish if you haven't read the book. But I really recommend, I recommend the book. But even if you haven't read the book, the show is just a really cool experience. It's wild and twisted and can be gory at times. But it's so far it's just a pretty like one of a kind show experience. I think so far I am writing, as Johnny said, in a black wing clutch and I am using. I've got two pencils in front of me. Actually one of them is a Blackfeet Indian pencil that was given to me by a listener like two years ago. Fantastic to say. Had a couple of those. So I sharpened one up using that. And I also have another vintage pencil that just kind of caught my eye the other day, which is a Dixon manuscript 301. If you've seen these, which seems to be kind of a precursor of the. The ladee of some kind because. Is that the same number as Lady A 301, the original one. Those blue.
Oh, look it up.
But it's same kind of proportions, but it's green and has this gold script on it. Made in USA. Dixon manuscript 301. And Andy, you would appreciate that it is printed like left handed.
So nice.
That's cool. So, yeah, had one of those. It's got a Big wide cord and a really soft, soft feel. So I had missed it. You know, I've had it for a long time and had never sharpened it and just yesterday sharpened it up with my brass bullet keychain, which is the greatest thing ever, which we talked about recently. I've been loving that, but sharpened it up and been using it a lot. It's a really cool pencil.
Do you get anything caught in like the blade or the middle part of the brass bullet like in your pocket?
No, never. Which I thought I was totally planning on it but I've not had any issues and even just messiness, you know, with using it. But you just sharpen and blow it out and put in my pocket and it's not been a problem at all. And I've, I've had it for three weeks now. Yeah, yeah, but that's me. How about we get into the fresh points and throw it back to Mike?
So the kind of like newest thing I've been messing around with is I just got over the weekend the new Field Notes subscriber extra. Yeah, so this year is a little bit different than last year. Yeah, last year it was a reprint of the Butcher Orange and Butcher Blue which they are still giving away. I was actually at Field Notes LA last weekend. Two weekends ago. Two weekends ago. And when they had the draplin pop up shop thing and they were still with every purchase of $20 giving two of those away. They don't obviously it just says commemorative. I forget what the. Yeah, commemorative reprint on the, on the belly band instead of obviously your name. But so because that would be. Yeah, I think maybe it was a good idea to maybe not do reprints this time around. Maybe because they have to make so many of them. I don't know. But they, you know, everybody was like, oh, it's going to be something cool. It's going to be grass stained green. It's going to be, you know, what was going on around Nuts, you know, the Field Nuts group. But those guys rose a bunch of whiners anyway. So, you know, it's like it's, it's, it's. Half of the people are like, you know, whatever Field Note says is gold and like they're, they're all about it. And then the other half just like complains about everything and that nothing is as good as Mackinac Autumn or whatever, you know, so it's just like, okay, whatever. But, but does it have paper inside?
It does.
So it's a blue book. Like it's pretty good. See, we didn't have this when I was, like, in school, but it's. Supposedly it's a blue. I don't know what a blue book is. You know, we just had to bring our own paper. Apparently, it's like a testing booklet type thing where you would write maybe, like, an essay or something.
Oh, yeah, yeah. We definitely use those at Milligan.
So this is got, like, 1 2, 8 pages. And it almost looks like they took, like, regular lined paper and cut it off. Because the top margin is way too big.
Yes.
But other than that, you know, it's pretty cool.
Yeah, this is really crappy paper.
I think it's meant to be crappy, right?
The lines are uneven.
Yeah, the lines are uneven. The. The paper's uneven. Like, it's. It's flush at the bottom, but not at the top.
So. So do you guys think that maybe it's maybe a little. Little purposefully crappy so people actually, like, do the thing with it that they want people to do with it and
not, like, I don't know, man.
Well, they give you three, right?
Yeah.
So, yeah. I mean, keep two and send one in. But the idea is you're supposed to send one in, right? So Kudal supposedly sends you, as the dean of the field notes, correspondence school sends you a letter saying that basically you have to write an essay. It's going to be graded on creativity, punctuation, spelling, and penmanship.
I'm screaming.
Yeah, me too. Yeah, it's like, okay, I have the me and a chicken. I think you could read the chicken better.
So I'm. I'm really into this. Like, I. I love that they are making, like, a little fun activity, and you have to send it in and you could win. I think there's three prizes. There's one That's a personalized 250 print run of Craft Brown. There's one that, say, a year free. And there's another one. Is that the book you get, Draplin's book?
Yeah, it's a copy of Draplin book signed to you personally.
Yeah. Two of each of these. And I already have. I just know what I'm gonna write, so I'm gonna be sending that in.
But, you guys, I already won one of the prizes.
Oh, shut up.
I told you this earlier. The story I wrote was so good, I even get to pick which of the three prizes they were like.
They were like, we haven't even read it yet, but you win.
No, they read it. I faxed it to them. They were kind of pissed that I faxed It. They never sent me a message that
said, somebody nuts group is gonna be mad that you put your thing through a fax machine.
Right?
How the ding did you get our fax number?
We didn't even know we had a fax machine.
So as soon as this thing came out, like, people in the nuts group were just like, oh, well, guess we're not getting, like, only six people win as opposed to everybody last year. And, like, how am I supposed to, like, collect this thing? And this isn't very good quality. And how much do you think I can sell this for on ebay? I'm just like, shut up. They're trying to get you to, like, participate and lighten up and have a little fun, not just, like, stuff this in your hoard.
I'll fully admit I complained about it.
My first instinct was, I am. I don't know, I thought you were only getting one. I'm just like, so they're sending me something and then I have to send it back. This sucks. I didn't know you got three, but.
And the other thing, I don't know. I complained about it just because, like, I don't want homework for my subscriber extra.
I'm just trying to have a listen.
I wonder if they're not. If they don't have some cool notebooks printed like, hey, you played along. Here's a cool notebook. Also, maybe they're blue.
Also, the other thing that I think that a lot of people just don't realize that I. I know that, like, Brad Dowdy's about before. Oh, I should bleep that out. Is that, like, it's a subscriber extra. Like, this is an extra field notes.
Yeah, but they. They said how this is, like, built into the price.
Subscriber extra.
Built into the price.
Yeah.
And I guess last year was kind of a special thing. It was like their 30th. I just. Yeah, I just don't think that they're. They, like, owe us a commemorative reprint or whatever every single time. I think it's just a fun thing to try to get people to, like, engage.
But, like, devil's advocate, you could see why people would get mad when they were like, hey, resubscribe, resubscribe. You're gonna get something awesome. And then people like, this isn't awesome. Now I feel cheated.
I wonder if you could, like, send this back in and get a. Get aligned, you know, like, oh, I just want a three pack aligned, please.
What would be funny is if, like, actually a thousand people send these things in and they're like, oh, my God,
we have to read all these.
But now we have Jim Koodall's signature so we can sign stuff with his name.
Yeah, just invoice for like, custom erasable field notes. Like he authorized it for free. Jim Kudal.
We're getting butcher red paper. It's going to be bad.
That sounds awful.
Butcher Red.
Just bloodstained, greasy red paper. Otherwise known as the corpse edition. Bloodstained Craft Wednesday, the Grave Dancer edition.
Anyhow, sorry.
Cravedancer.com it's true.
Nerve nurture.
Oh, man.
Then I guess the other thing I have, if we're still talking about fresh points, is in front of me. I have. I just got these in the mail today. The New Baron, Fig, Nomad, and Mastermind. So it's that pack of sticky notes, like post it, type notes, and then the desk pad that's like a foot by eight inches. And they're both dot grid. Sorry, my microphone. I'll say that again. And they're both dot grid, dot grid.
So what do you think of them?
Well, I use sticky notes a lot at work. My problem is, like, I feel like these are too nice to use for what I used for, you know, like. Oh, yeah, I'm just gonna write the, you know, hex code to some random yellow I want to use and put it up on the top of my monitor for the day. But if I, if I put it on this note, I won't want to throw it away.
Yeah.
And so I don't know. I mean, but I'm. That's what they're for, you know, it's not like they're limited or whatever. Oh, I got to collect them. But the other thing is the, the, the desk pad is, I mean, just off the top of my head first, like impressions, I want to say it's like in between size that I want, like, it might be either too small or too big for, like, if I was going to use it as like a, like, the idea is like the calendar, you know, thing like under your desk that, you know, people used to use. I think it might be too small for that, but it's too big to have like, kind of as like a side notebook that, that you hold off by your mouse.
Yeah. So what do you put under your, like, what do you type on? Do you have like a wireless keyboard or do you type on your laptop?
Yeah, I just have a, like a wireless, like Apple keyboard. Like that really tiny one.
Yeah, I was.
But I don't actually do a lot of like, typing. Typing I basically am using shortcuts all day. So like mouse in one hand, shortcuts in the other hand. So yeah, I really kind of like move my keyboard around all over the place.
I've been thinking about getting some of the, Getting a mastermind. But yeah, they're.
I mean it's cool. It's like rounded corners, well made. It's like dot, grid on one side and blank on the other.
Yeah.
So you could actually use it one way or the other if you want to. Dot, grid or blank.
Yeah, I would get so many coffee stains on it.
The notes are too. Yeah, coffee stains. I can see that too. But I think that's what it's for is like, hey, you know, mess it up and then tear the top page off and don't worry about it. As opposed to like, oh, this is like a beautiful confidant that I have to write like awesome, you know, journal entries in and like keep it really nice or whatever, my confidence.
It's not that my confidant literally has a drop of blood stain on it right now. So I gave up any pretension of like putting amazing things in that. And it's a three legged juggernaut.
Mine has like the worst notes in it too. So what can you do?
Yeah. Cool. Anything else, Mike?
You know what I've been using a lot lately is one of Les's books. The no brand notebooks. Yeah, I've been using that as my journal, like my nightly kind of one page journal. I don't like to write like a whole bunch about my own, like personal stuff. So I just like, you know, a nice central Illinois boy, just mull it over in my own head until it takes the better of me. So I actually just like write little like kind of snippets. And like one page of a pocket notebook is about all I want to do like as a, like nightly journal. And so that's like the perfect size. And I really wanted to like use it before I talked about it, you know, because it's something that it's not. It's not something that's, you know, that you've seen before, like a field notes. Like you can look at a field notes and test one page with, you know, pencil and pen and all that stuff and really kind of get the gist of it because you've used a bazillion field notes. Like this is something completely new and different. So I wanted to use like one or two of them before I actually, you know, reviewed it, quote unquote on the blog.
Yeah, Les mentioned just she was talking about the HP laser printer that. A laser printer paper that she uses in those notebooks a little bit on the. On her podcast on rsvp, which we talked about last time. And yeah, I was thinking about how, yeah, that is really good paper. And I've just never thought about it in the context of like, like breaking it up and turning into a notebook. So that's a good idea. Yeah.
Cool.
Anything else, Mike?
No, I think that's it.
All right, why don't you take it away, Andy?
Well, my three fresh points are very Baron Fig themed.
Today,
since we recorded last the Baron fig bag, Kickstarter has launched and we actually recorded the day before, the night before it launched and went live just right after, after they launched it. And since then it took like 24 hours and they made their goal and they're currently working on their. Their stretch goal, which is a sleek blue color that they're going to add to the mix. So.
Oh, that blue is awesome.
So good.
They're at 80,000 right now, so if they make it 20 more thousand.
Come on, people.
I want that blue to 100,000. They'll add that blue. And I'm 100% switching my backpack pledge over to blue slate. So, yeah, the rest of you hop on. I need you to do that so I can get that blue.
There's two weeks left. Lots of time.
Joey Caphone also went on the Pen Addict the next week to
talk a
little bit about the Kickstarter and the process. And they really dug deep into sort of the business of doing this of Kickstarter and of making bags and sourcing these things. And it was really interesting. Um, we. I don't think we should get into it too much, but Brad had a little. Had a little rant on, on Twitter just about. About like the source, their sourcing and their disclosure of the sourcing. And he. He had them on the show the next time he recorded and kind of had a mea culpa and apologized and they had a really great discussion. I was really pleased listening to that. I thought it was a really good kind of follow up from the more general discussion and announcement that was that we had here last time. So that's super cool. Good job on that. I also want to mention, I have never. Well, I have before, but I have never been as taken with a expensive pen as I had with their most recent quarterly Squire release. They just announced it. They'll have announced it Tuesday after the podcast comes out, but they let it like they, they pushed it Live a day early. It is called the Experiment. It is a Baron fig green Squire, has a little test tube with bubbles coming out of it on the. On the barrel. And it is gorgeous. I.
It looks so cool.
So cool. I have a. A thing for green ink. I wrote on Plimpsest in 2010. Actually, a little thing about why I like green ink. I'll put a link in show notes, but essentially it comes down to this. This book called Operation Cicero that I read where the, like, commandant of this. This, like, diplomatic embassy writes like the ambassador writes in green ink, and therefore everybody knows it's from him. I just. That made an impression on me in high school and I started writing with green ink and I loved it. So most of my pens that I do have and use are green ink. And this one is just yet the barrel is just a bright green. It is about the same color. Maybe it's a little bit lighter than a Mitsubishi 9. And I can't tell if it's because it's metallic, because it's anodized aluminum or. Or what, but it's just a little bit more bright. It's still really, really deep. And the ink is, of course, just a really, really deep green ink. I really love it. So got one of these in my hands. I. Yeah. Thank you. This is super cool. So everybody check that out. It might be sold out by the time. By the time you all listen to this, but I will have a link in show notes.
The last thing.
Has anybody else seen this? Seen the Squire? I think we've all probably seen it, right?
Hey, Andy. Yeah?
Can I. Can we take a.
Can we take a quick break while I go and buy this Squire? Because I really, really want
play some,
like, elevator music for a minute. Like, waiting music.
Tim placed a huge ass order on CW Pencils, like, while we were podcasting a couple episodes ago, didn't you, Tim?
I would say huge. I mean, I got a large quantity.
Yeah.
Pencils. Oh, I don't even. Well, it was actually mostly I got the. I got the book and I got the. The keychain thing and then I just got a ton of Bugles. So that's really most of what it was done.
Yeah.
So, yeah, we're well skilled in the art of like, quietly buying things on the Internet while people are podcasting.
Done a good bit of that.
I never do that.
Coffer says in the chat that he's waiting for a matte black Squire or a red Squire.
There isn't the last one. Matt Black.
Matt Black or a red Squire.
But the last one was black, wasn't it?
It's charcoal. Oh, no. Yeah, it was black. But it had the Alphabet on it.
Oh yeah.
You know, tougher.
He's got almost letters.
Topher, you got something against the Alphabet.
You're a writer. Letters.
He's got to have his tactical Squire. And the red Squire that one was,
that's in the flint on the end of it or something.
The red Squire is in the Kickstarter. You can get that as an extra.
It's very pretty. Yeah.
Yeah. So Squire's man. Expensive, but they're great.
I was using mine today.
Yeah, they're gonna make me buy a pen watch.
By the way, I'm $60 lighter now.
Thank you.
$60. All right, so actually Discover is $60 lighter.
Someday you will be too. I'll actually probably like 90 after interest.
I will be probably at this point, minimum payments 120, $140 lighter.
God bless Late stage capitalism, guys.
Thank you.
Episode title God bless Late stage Capitalism.
Blasphemy.
Blasphemy coming from the pencil revolution guy. Comrade.
That's not, that's not blasphemous. It's just anti capitalist. That's okay.
I was saying it ironically. Last thing to follow up on is not Baron Fig related. It is kind of a long time coming. We got an email from Rudy back in the middle of April just about a month ago. And Rudy said, hey guys, thank you so much for the work you do on your podcast. I tried so many new pencils based on your recommendations and discussions. One of my favorite has been the Palomino Golden Bears. Recently I've had to buy some more of these pencils and I noticed a small change. It seems like this pack has switched from a full hex shape into a smoother, rounded semi hex shape. Have you guys noticed this too? Is this a new thing or a one time fluke? I figured if anybody would care about something like this other than myself, it would be the guys from Erasable. I've attached some photos comparing the new golden bears I received to the last of the old ones I had. So sure enough, obviously I can't show you pictures of our podcast, but the old ones are more like the ones I have in my box which are kind of a sharper, truer, more musgravy.
Hex.
Definitely a sharp, sharp hex on that. And he was holding some other ones next to it. That was a little bit more of a semi hex. It was probably not as rounded as like a general semi Hex, but it's pretty rounded, like noticeably so. Yeah. I was like, that's interesting to know because I had not, I had not bought any golden bears recently. And I emailed Charles Barrelsheimer and then Nick sesei from. From pencils.com. just ask them that question. Didn't hear back. Didn't hear back. Finally, I was exchanging emails with Alexander. How do you say his last name? I'm going to say it French. I'm going to say poor port.
I want to pronounce it in the French way. I like it very much.
It's probably like saying Lacroix. Like, it's like, don't be pretentious. Say it American. Alexander Poirier.
Say it right, boy.
Alexander from Field notes or not? From, from Blackwing, who we should someday have on. He goes, he, I was talking to him and I asked him that question. He found out. He goes, your listeners are paying attention. Haha. Our latest run of golden bear pencils does feature a softer hex shape than the past runs, but they are still produced by Musgraves. So same, same manufacturer, rounder hex. So for those of you who like a softer shape than most of those musk scravy pencils, unlike the test scoring 100 has a much thicker paint job. But like the test scoring 100, it has a very sharp hex. The old ones did so.
But unlike the test scoring 100, it's not ugly as a piece of.
They're not a weird ass pencil.
So yeah, I have. I wonder if with Musgrave they even meant to do it. Their quality control lately is so up and down.
It's funny because they produce pencils for so many different people. I wonder if they're just like, you know, they're still doing business. Like it's 1945.
Yeah. I'm not naming names, but they make, they make pencils for different companies and sometimes they're just like, hey, here's cedar.
Yeah.
Nah, no cedar anymore.
Well, it kind of like.
And I'm sorry.
No, go on, I'm sorry.
And so in one instance they made cedar for somebody and then said, we couldn't have done that. We haven't done that in 10 years. But. But you did. Like I'm not imagining these pencils. They're right here.
Well just think about how that like black and white bugle for, for CDV pencils like came about. Like it was a literal mistake in the test line and they were like, maybe you can think of something to do with this.
Y' all darn we all messed up, man. We got in these up to New York City.
Those dumb Yankees to buy something.
Email should go to michaeladfast. No, man.
From the. I'm from where we think it's the south central Illinois.
Yeah.
If ever you've been to the Musgrave website, you know what we're talking about. It's very old school. It's really hard to like get somebody on the phone or get somebody answered in email unless you're from a business. Because just the way they do business, they're not set up to like talk to people.
They need a marketing person. Yeah, they wouldn't asap.
They would never think of like, like having some people like what the hell's a podcast about pencils? Like anyhow, they're.
But they make.
They're an old school pencil company. They're awesome. I. They have had some quality control issues. So yeah, when it's good, it's good. Yeah, totally, totally. And they're Musgraves, so. Yeah.
And when it's bad, it's a hipster mistake to send in yours.
So that is. That is all of my follow up. Johnny, how about. How about you?
So folks who are paying attention know that Blackwing makes two new notebooks that Alex was kind enough to send us recently. Thank you. Alex.
Yeah.
Alex Poor. Yeah. Alex Peoria.
Peoria.
Alex Peoria.
The clutch notebook is their pocket notebook that folks got in their subscriptions of the ugly one, the 205. Sorry. Yeah, but it's a, you know, it's a pocket sized notebook, like a field notes, but it's sewn instead of stapled or glue bound so that they open well. And you're supposed to open it sideways, which, like, it sounds stupid, but it's just like Moleskins or anything else. Like if you buy into the magic for a second, open a sideways. You're like, oh my God, this is awesome.
Well, have you been having better luck with yours? Because I've been trying to open them sideways and if you open them in the wrong part of that particular signature of pages, like, it just doesn't work. Like, like a field. A field notes would open better sideways.
Yeah, it resisted, but I made it do it.
Just had to snap the spine.
Yeah, it didn't fall apart. And mine's working well there. I don't know how to print out or translate the grams per square meter into GSM's. You know how they say like how many paid. I mean whatever pound of paper is, it feels like 70 ish. Is that right?
Yeah.
The GSM 100.
100 pounds. 100 GSM is 27 pounds. Paper. What?
Yeah, but that's not right. It's not 27 pounds. This is like between 60 and 70.
Yeah. They're almost as thick as the right notepads, but they only have the same number of pages as the field notes.
According to coastal print.com converse convert_gsm_2_pounds.
I've been to that website.
100gsm is. Oh, you know what?
Hold on.
68. Textbook.
I was close.
Yeah. Okay. Okay. I was looking at bond weight, which I don't know the difference.
Yes. So they have like, the. The COVID material looks like it's just glued to the substrate and then cut. There's no seam or, you know, hammer, anything like that. Like there is with the Black Wing slate, but it's the same material, which, like, doesn't feel durable. But I've been carrying mine in my pocket and it looks good.
Feels rubbery.
Super durable.
Yeah, it really is.
And I. I mean, I agree with Andy that the dots are definitely way too dark. But we were talking about this earlier. Andy said that he finds this paper very smeary with a pearl. And I was using an mmx, which is the softest, and I don't find it to be smeary at all. Like, pretty smear resistant in general, especially for how smooth it is.
Have you tried it with a pearl?
So my secret is that I don't like the pearl anymore. I don't even know if I have any.
It's fine.
But no, I should. I have some 725s right here somewhere. But, yeah, I find that if you use a Black Wing on this paper, it's so smooth, you feel like you're using a gel pen on a Moleskine. But, you know, without the mess. That would be using a gel pen on a Moleskine. But also, like, the point durability is insane because it doesn't seem like it shaves off a lot of graphite. So smooth makes sense. Yeah.
It really is great paper. Yeah, it's fantastic.
I wrote with a pen in there and it sucked. I didn't like the way it wrote at all. But then I was not made by a pencil company. Go figure.
I will.
I just put Bic pen in a Blackwing notebook, But I don't know. They're really nice. They're kind of expensive. They're $15 for a three pack, which makes them the most expensive of the three packs from the major companies. Right now. But they're super nice. This paper is like insanely sweet. And so I tested the ghosting to see what kind of graphite transfer there would be since the paper so, you know, so smooth and like, it's really good. It's better than field notes. Way better than field notes. And that's with a black wing. So I feel like these are pretty neat. Like you're not going to get a smeary mess of a notebook. And there's also the summit, which is what's it roughly like 7 by 10 ish. That notebook is insane. Like I took the plastic off and the damn notebook fell open and laid flat. It's perfect.
Why do you think that? It took them three years to kind of finish this line after the slate came out.
Plus see, I like the slate very much, but the slate doesn't look like these. You know, it has an elastic and a different binding, a different cover. It's stiff. It doesn't really match except for being black. So I wonder if we'll see another softcover notebook replace the slate. I hope not. I like the slate. It's a nice book.
Yeah, I love the slate.
I was sort of hoping they come out with a pocket version of that. That would have been a nice book. Yeah, you put a little like Steinbeck stage moleskin or blackwing in the spine there.
Oh, that'd be adorable.
That would be a cute little notebook. Sure would. Yeah. I carried mine around yesterday on Mother's Day and I was grilling and drinking beer with my brothers and carrying on with the kids and like, the notebook doesn't look bad at all. Didn't even make my legs sweat the way that some notebooks do if you're wearing blue jeans.
What notebooks? We talked about pocket sweat. Talked about pocket sweat in a while.
We'll talk about this later.
The struggle is real though. I'm with you.
Yes. Those, those wood covered field notes. Really? Yeah.
Pocket sweat affects millions of Americans.
I'm a hairy man. I'm talking about front pocket.
It's now a pre existing condition too.
It's hip sweat, not butt sweat. It's much less gross, but much less expensive. So moving on. So yesterday was Mother's Day. Did anyone give. I guess we're men, so we didn't get stationary for Mother's Day.
I gave my mother.
None of us are mothers.
I gave my. My mother a field notes for Mother's Day and a sticker.
Awesome.
I gave her the one of the orange. Pretty much anything. No, pretty much everything. Drapolin factory floor field notes.
Oh, nice.
Yes. Mailed it to her.
I gave my mom a limited edition moleskin and pen. And if you've met my children, my wife got the Mother of Dragons notebook from Moleskine.
They do a Game of Thrones tie in.
Yeah, they're moleskins from Game of Thrones. At first they're pretty well done. They're pretty cool. They're not like crazy. They have end papers and like a cool cover. That's it. Yeah, they're not like, you know, they're not covered. They're not some sort of weird Westeros grid.
Yeah, yeah.
It's like they're red dots for the blood from all the characters you like where they kill off.
Snowflake reticle grid.
There's one called the Red Wedding where the book is wiped, the pages are red.
Butcher red.
Yeah, yeah. That's about all I've got. How about you, Mr. Tim?
I've just got one. This won't take long, but did you see the Kickstarter? I think I found out because Harry Marks was tweeting about it, but it's called the Story Clock Notebook.
I saw that.
Yeah, yeah.
It was made by a guy named Seth Worley and it's for. It's designed for screenwriters. That's the name of the Kickstarter StoryClock notebook. A notebook designed for screenwriters. But I mean, it would work for any kind of storytelling or product design or if you're putting a presentation or a piece of nonfiction or a novel or a short story or screenplay, whatever it is. And it's a really simple idea, but it's a really cool little notebook. And if you, if this sounds interesting to you, I'll say that there are 22 days left. And they said in the video that they may not even keep making them after the Kickstarter. It might just be a one time thing. But the basic concept is that every page there's like a tutorial they give you and there's some like samples in the notebook, but then each page there is what looks like it's just a circle marked. Marked with the hour, like the dashes, as if a. Just like a clock but without the numbers. And he explains in the tutorial in the video how to use that to plan a story. Like you have a two hour movie and you treat each quarter of the clock like 30 minutes. Or if you're doing a book, then you can split it up into chapters or whatever. It's a really cool concept and the video is really Great. You should go to the link in the show notes and watch the video for the Kickstarter. They did a really good job on there. On their Kickstarter video especially. There's a fantastic part where he gets an idea and they've used special effects to make it look like lightning is actually striking his head, like while he's drinking a cup of coffee. And it's pretty fantastic. But so it's really low buy in. You can just pledge five bucks and you'll get a digital PDF of the entire notebook that you can print yourself. Or for 12 bucks you can get one of the notebooks plus the PDF and then just goes up from there. So I actually just signed up for the PDF.
I had just like, apparently I was having a real slow day that day because when, when Harry tweeted that I went and looked at it, I didn't watch the video and I was just like, I don't understand, like the clock. Like, that doesn't make sense. Like I use like a story arc. And I completely forgot that we were talking about like chronological, like, like finite beginning and endpoint. Like, yeah, chronological things. And like, oh, that makes someone. I was thinking they meant it as
in like, like rising action climax.
Yeah. Like, I don't. I wouldn't know because they were talking about like symmetrical actions and all this stuff. I'm like, that doesn't make any sense to me. Like, poor Harry was just like, okay. I was like, oh, never mind. This is about like an hour long episode or half an hour long episodes or something. It's like when, you know, on like NPR or like radio news, they plan everything out kind of by the hour. And so they have this really great little like chronograph that lets them do that.
Yeah.
So that's all I was going to share. I just thought that was really cool and I backed it. And I'm just going to get the PDF and just get some nice paper and print it out myself and make little notebooks to do just that, to plan stories and things. I just think it's just a cool idea and worth trying out.
Yeah.
And they seem like they're in it for the right reasons. It's like a really honest project where they say flat out in the video or the guy, Seth Worley, says, I made this Kickstarter because I want these notebooks.
Yeah.
You know, which is just really straightforward. He's like, I want these. And so, you know, we're gonna make it. We're gonna give them, give them out to everybody who wants One, we're not sure if we're gonna keep making them afterwards. Which as far as. I mean I can't imagine why they wouldn't because it's pretty successful so far. 22 days left, the goal was 12,500 and they're at 42,000 now. So I imagine it's gonna be big enough that they'll, they'll make a good number of them and just keep selling them on the website or something.
Not it for the wrong reasons. Like those Baron Frank guys. I say is two of them are in the live chat.
Let's just talk about the President on the main topic, the safe topic.
Actually I think I, if I could like to add one more thing. I think I would be remiss if I didn't talk about the thing that I recently reviewed on the website on leadfast.
Sure.
That a person from our group, Mike Lynn actually made. It's a, it's called the original Content Books Modern Notebook folio and it's kind of like a iPad mini or Kindle or whatever. Small kind of tablet folio with a pretty sweet notebook in there. He sets it up with 148 page notebook and a 30 page like sketch pad in this place where you could put your iPad. So it's pretty nice paper. It is really good for fountain pens and regular, you know, pencil. It's got a little bit of tooth, it's dot grid on one side and lined on the other but it's got a fat and a thin. So a pencil and a fountain pen kind of pen loop inside. Pretty high quality. So I really liked it actually. Yeah, I don't know if you want to link to it or whatever. Yeah, yeah, I thought it was pretty cool.
Totally put that in there.
That is a long review. Holy crap.
Well, most of it, like I don't know, the first like third of it was, you know, my kind of figuring out, you know, because it was the first thing that I've ever actually been given for free to review. So I kind of like try to like make my peace with that because for a while I was like, you know, I'm not gonna do that, like it's not real, you know, so on and so forth. So I try to like make my peace with a little bit in those first like I don't know, five paragraphs.
Yeah, this.
Yeah, I like that. I like that orange cover a lot.
Yeah, it's got like an orange book in the. I have a gray, it's a, it's got a gray cover. It's like crosshatch and it's got an orange book and you can fit like any sort of like a 5ish size in. I put a right notepads like paper journal in there. I put the standard like journal in there, you know with the, the or what do you call it on the side, the, the rings on the side. Spiral bound on the side. And I put a confidant in there, I put a vanguard in there. So I, I had all sorts of different stuff in there. The only thing that won't fit in there is like top bound a five.
So tonight's special guest needs a little introduction to people who are in our large loving Facebook community. But for those who don't know you, Mike, can you tell us a little about yourself?
We get it. You vape.
Yeah, I'm a second generation vape professional. Busting big clouds, just blowing that sweet fog all over Champaign, Illinois.
How's your ohms, bro? Okay.
You build those coils yourself?
That's right. Enough fate getting into the coil business. That's where it's at. Forget selling the fog. Oh man, I, I don't know. I. About myself, I went to school in Carbondale. Just missed Johnny Go Salukis. I went to, I went to film school there actually. And like most film students, I'm totally not doing anything with that degree. But after that I like moved to LA for a little while, then moved to Chicago and then made my way back to central Illinois and started selling craft beer and booze and wine.
Lacroix.
Actually, you know what? That, that, yeah, Lacroix. I sold the hell out of Lacroix. All the hipsters in champagne love Lacroix. But that the pencil ladies were drinking a few episodes ago. I totally sold that brand.
Huh? Whose brand was that?
It was Brad Pitt. Miraval. Miraval.
Brad Pitt's brand. That's what it was.
Yeah.
Yeah.
But recently I made a career change and stopped selling wine and booze and whatever and because I'd been doing freelance graphic design for about 10 years off and on. So I decided to kind of transition that as to my like full time career. So I'm doing that for doing that in social media marketing for a small business here in town now. So that's. And then I have a pencil blog. So that's kind of me. I have a little dog and a girlfriend named Laylee and our little French bulldog Luna. And my Instagram posts of Luna get more likes and followers than my Instagram posts about pencils.
She's a cute little dog.
Yeah, she is a cute little dog. And I swear to God, if you hashtag Frenchies of Instagram, you'll get like five followers. Just do it. Just put a. Put a pencil on there and hashtag
Frenchies like anything you put on.
That's sweet. You didn't look at it.
Hashtag Bujo.
That's right.
Oh, man. So speaking of pencil blogs,
there are
a few pencil blogs. So what do you think is your blog's angle in this glowing, growing capital P pencil blogosphere?
I don't know. You know, I've been blogging in various forms since like the late 90s, early 2000s, like, since like before there was blogger. I don't know, I just been making my own websites and doing that kind of thing. What's that?
Do you use Zynga?
Oh, my God, no, I didn't use,
like, anything like Geocities or Angel. What is it? Fire Tripod. I always had my own URL. Ooh, but fancy. Yeah, yeah, early adopter. That's right. And I was always on the org thing back then too. Like, I've always been using Org. So yeah, I could have ledfast.com if I wanted to pay some like, URL squatter for it, but I decided not to.
Leadfast. WTF? Or Leadfast Sexy or something.
That's right.
We should switch our domains to dot sexy.
I wanted Leadfah St. But that's so good.
I love, love domain hacking so much.
No, I didn't do any of that either. But yeah, so I just kind of. I always start blogging. Like, I start a blog to, like, learn about something. So I mean, I have always been into, you know, analog tools and pencils and, you know, I wrote a little bit about it on the website actually, for National Pencil Day about, like, kind of my path to pencils and notebooks and kind of analog stuff. But at first when I started the blog, I thought I'd, like, keep it small and keep it to myself. And then, you know, I started like, linking a little bit here and there, like posting my. My, you know, reviews on the Facebook group. And I started getting, you know, a lot of hits and people were, you know, like, now Google is my number one referrer when it used to be Facebook, because it would just be, you know, just posting the stuff on. On the Erasable group or the Field Nuts group or something like that.
But I always figured your blog's angle was just trying to beat D. Scolardi. That's right.
Gotcha.
Them's fight words, baby. Sorry. See, nobody knows who's saying it tonight.
That's right.
But I just wanted to explore and, like, write about it, you know, like, that was what my angle was. But increasingly, like, over the last, like, couple months since my career change and my, like, my focus has been whether or not, like, products are actually worth the money, you know, so, like, because, like, I'm kind of more on a budget now because I decided to change my career in my mid-30s, so my budget constraints, my. The fact that this is a hobby, but for collectors and prolific users, this can get pretty expensive. Not pencils so much, but notebooks, definitely.
Yeah.
Unless you, like, exclusively use Blackwing pencils, it can't really get too expensive. But so that's kind of like where I. Where I did that, you know, like, what. What my angle has been now, and, like, I've been talking about money and what it's worth and is this worth what they're charging sort of thing now. So are you getting what you expected to get when you say, subscribe to something?
Yeah. So I'm interested to know, Mike, I really like the name Led Fast. How did you come up with that?
I actually ripped off the idea of naming my blog after a printing on a pencil from you. Yeah, because, I mean, I know that's why you asked this question. I might as well apologize to public, right?
There's no need to apologize.
No, I'm just kidding.
I.
But, like, actually, I just was like, I literally did see, like, wood clinch was taken. Pencil revolution was taken, my number one and number two choices. So I was like, you got that reversed, right? Yeah, I mean, no, that's right. But I like, you know, like, I don't know. I was just kind of like, that's a good way to find a name. Right. So it's part about it, but it's not necessarily like, you know, I love pencils dot. You know, Mike Dot blog.
Yeah, I was. When I got wood clinched, I was really afraid that it had been trademarked because, like, you know, Eberhard Faber let the Blackwing trademark lapse. And that's where Cal Cedar picked it up. And I was afraid that they just went through all of the Eberhard Faber, like, trademarks and picked it up. But I was really glad to see that wood clinched was not in there. So I didn't. I did not trademark it. Nobody steal that.
You should trademark.
I really should. It's like $400. It's not cheap. I'll do it.
I mean, you could get it as your first.
I'm not doing that. I'LL just change it and.
But you know what?
If I checked lead fast too. It's not.
If you can prove your, like, your thing existed before the trademark, I think often you can, like, you know, just kind of keep it around anyhow. Yeah, so when I saw that Woodclinch was. Was free, I was like, oh, yes. So that's. That was definitely like a piece of inspiration. So, yeah, I love just like looking on the side of like, the pencils for all sorts of great shit. Like, like, made by elaborate process is one of my favorite like, like slogans and mottos around. I really, really want to do something with that, but I don't know what.
Well, the problem I have is my personal. My personal Twitter account. That's my. My bio.
That's awesome.
The pencil company stole it from my dissertation. It was under my bio section on there. It's back to 2010,
You know. Actually, once I found the name though, everything else for me, like, fell into place as far as, like, making the blog, like, design wise, like, I just needed to like, figure out what the name was going to be. And then from there on it was. I was good with it.
Right.
Like, I want. I just knew, like, it. The name was simple and was simply, you know, like, you know, embossed on the side of a pencil. Like, I just wanted my blog look to be simple and just clean. Like, I don't. It actually doesn't even say leadfast on the website. It just has the lf.
Yeah, yeah, your logo.
Just have a couple pictures and stuff.
Your branding is well done. I like it a lot.
Appreciate it. Thanks, Tim. Did you want the products to be the star? You know what mean? Like, I wanted my branding and like, me as a person, like, take a back seat to all of it because, like, no one comes to that website for me. Like, they're like, oh, let's see what Hagen's up to. Like, no, they want to see what
the newest field notes thing I do that. Is that weird?
Well, it's because, like, at some point you and I are gonna party in Carbondale. That's why you.
That is gonna happen.
Party in Carbon.
That's right. Carbon delay.
The funny thing is, it'll probably be in the newspaper down there. I'm sorry.
Prominent bloggers party in Carbondale.
Well, see, so there's a neat connection.
Bloggers ruin the town.
There's a good connection to American Guts from the car area. Really?
What is it? What, what attraction is it? Is it like a little Egypt? One of the.
Remember from the Book. Oh yeah, Cairo. Cairo is pretty close.
Yeah.
They call it little.
That whole section is called Little Egypt.
Yeah. The mascot for the school is the saluki which is an Egyptian dog. Your mind has been blown. It's all coming together the whole time
when I read it I just did think important, right?
Yeah. And poor Neil Gaiman had to come down here. Down there. That sucks. Sorry, sorry. You can send the carbon Dio hate mail to me.
Well, I like to hear about kind of origin story stuff with pencil people and can you give us like a early memory of like we've talked about your, your blog and what it's about but can you talk about where your love for this stuff started A little bit?
Yeah. You know my grandpa always had pencils like he always had. There's a like still to this day. I was just at their house this weekend. There's a pencil cup right next to him on next to his recliner. There's a pencil cup on the kitchen table. There's a pencil cup downstairs in the like family room basement area on the coffee table that nobody ever uses in. The pencils are so damn dry, you know, the erasers are just drier in heck. Like there's a pencil cup in the bathroom for crying out loud. So like I've always been like, like I remember being a little kid and like wanting to set up a pencil cup like next to my chair at my parents house which I didn't really have my own seat there, you know like in the living room you just sit wherever. But like I just wanted to have like a table and this little pencil cup like grandpa did, you know. And so I was always was kind of into it then and but you know, I wasn't really one of those kids that like look forward to back to school so I could get all my stuff like perfect or whatever. You know, I had to have matching folders and you know for every class or I didn't do any of that. Like I didn't care. I was a like loose leaf mead paper guy, you know, just. And I don't know, I didn't really care about it and didn't care about it in college really so much. But when I kind of like got as like when I was living in Chicago I lived without Internet for a while because we're broke and just like was always carrying like whatever pencil I could steal from work and a little moleskin or like whatever like Walmart moleskin I could find, you know. And this was carrying it around or a composition notebook or something was Carrying it around and was taking pictures of the city because I just moved to Chicago at the time, so was kind of doing that and, like, kind of keeping track of all my, like, photo notes. So that's kind of like, where I got into it and into, like, keeping a notebook and all that stuff.
Nice.
Awesome. So bringing this back to pencil blogging. What's your favorite pencil blog? There is. There's a right answer is no longer
written anymore, but this guy, Mitt Mesa, used to do it.
I missed that blog very much. I. I look at it on archive.org sometimes.
The writing arsenal.
Oh, man, I forget the writing arsenal.
Yeah.
Dang, man, that writing arse, I think it was.
Yeah, I think you should bring it
back in a way. I was, like, floored.
You didn't bring it back.
It needs to come back.
Then you just. Just, like, said, okay, I don't want Internet anymore. We can't afford it anyways.
Shut it down.
Shut it down.
Got nothing to use it for anymore.
I don't. I don't know. I don't really have a favorite pencil blog. Like, I. I like everybody's pencil blogs. Like, because I just like to be part of the community and, you know, read what everybody has to say.
You like the pencil blog?
I sometimes will, like. Like, I hope I'm not giving too much away, but sometimes Deidre and I will message back and forth and just be like, okay, what'd you really think? You know, like, what do you think of this? You know, what do you think of that? And I'll message other people like, okay, so what's the real story? You know? Yeah, like, I. I like to do that. Like, I like to figure out what people, like, really think. And I think that on my blog, I. I like to say what I really think as opposed to, like, not being, like, trying to, like, I'm not personally trying to, like, hurt anybody's feelings, but at the same time, I'm not trying to, like, be nice to somebody just because they made something, you know, like, if I don't like it, I don't like it. It's nothing against, you know, Jim Bob, that works at Musgrave. I just don't like his pencil.
Shut up, Jim Bob.
Jim Bob. Are you talking about.
I'm sorry, not Jim Bob. Joe. Mark Bob. Joe Henry Bob.
Jim Bob is on the live stream, dude. Yes.
Sorry, Jim Bob. So somebody fax them the show notes,
press down, mail it.
So, Mike, one of the main reasons we. We wanted to chat with you, besides just, like, hearing your voice and chatting with you is that you definitely have a fascination for and have probably blogged the most comprehensively about pencils from India. We talk a lot about like Nataraj and. Or what is, what does Caroline call them? Natraj. She turns it into just like three syllables. So. And Apsara and Doms and a lot of the Indian pencil companies. So let's, let's get into that a little bit.
Sure.
My first question I had was, you know, there's kind of an overlying theme among pencils from certain regions. Like you can look at a lot of the Japanese pencils and say, you know, they're often, you know, softer and darker than others and they are made for particular purposes like practicing your handwriting or general writing or drawing or whatever. Whereas German pencils are often more precise and just really well made and really consistent. Are there any themes among Indian pencils that you've noticed?
Well, they're cheap.
Yeah.
First of all, and, but not necessarily cheaply made. Like some of them are and some of them aren't, but they're all always cheap.
Yeah.
Like, I think when you buy something from Amazon or from ebay, you're really only just paying what it costs them for shipping. Because I mean, if you do like the conversion, because all these boxes have like what they actually cost in rupees on the back. Right. And it'll like say what it is for the box and what it is for per pencil. And if you do the conversion, it's like 60 something cents or something like that for like a box of half of these things. Right. So it's like, dang. You know, that's. They're, they're really well made pencils for how cheap they are. Right?
Yeah.
And they're also very colorful.
Yeah.
Like there's gonna. Designs are like all over the place. Like some of them, like you got the marble, you got like the neon stuff, but then you have all the different like stripe combinations and you know, like, like, well, each hex panel is a different color or there's like a stripe down the edge of the hex panel. And then, you know, in dips are all different colors. And you know, it's like, I think the Natural Joy.
Yeah.
Are still one of my very favorite looking pencils. They're so, so beautiful.
Yeah. And it's funny is like I have, I'm actually holding an Apsera Joy in my hand right now. So that's the other thing they do is they, they'll like take the two names and like, you know, interchange them Quite a bit. So it's like, oh, is this the same pencil or is it not? Like, you. I mean, you and I know, like. And most people listening to this know that. Yeah. Not Hindustan makes all their pencils so natural and Apsara pencils. So it's like, okay, yeah, they're just, like, interchanging the imprints. But, you know, somebody might be like, oh, this pencil company's ripping off this other pencil company with the same thing, you know? Like, I don't know. So, like, that's part of, like, why I kind of like to blog about it too, is, like, kind of explain, you know, hey, this is all from the same pencil company. And, you know, they're really great pencils. And I think that the cores are a lot. There's a lot of similarity there, but I think they make up for it in. In, like, really great, like, paint and, you know, well made and designed. And, you know, I just want. I want one of them. One of them to be made with cedar at one point.
Yeah.
Just to see it.
Oh, that would be awesome.
Yeah. But the other thing is too, like, I find that they always advertise them as dark pencils. Like, they're always like, oh, these are dark writing. Super dark writing, extra dark writing. And. But they're always advertised for writing or, like, for students, you know, or. So I like this. Actually, this guy that owns this liquor store that I used to sell beer to. He's Indian, and he was. He. He owns this liquor store, and he's actually in school doing math, and we were talking about pencils, and he's like, I really need a pencil that has, like, really good point retention so that I can, you know, like, do my math homework and, like, not have to stop and sharpen all the time. So, like, I gave him an Apsara absolute, and I was like, here. And then gave him a sharpener. Try this. You know, and he loved it. He's like, yeah, this is great. So it was. It was kind of, like, odd because I was giving an Indian pencil to an Indian gentleman who had never heard of this pencil is. And I just felt, you know, I was American guy giving an Indian pencil to an Indian guy is Caroline.
The reason we have these in the US like, is, like, she was.
I think so.
I feel like Epsara and Natraj was the first. Like, the first time I heard of them was through her shop.
Yeah. Before that, you had to just take a risk on ebay.
Yeah.
Mm.
Yeah.
And I got. I kind of got into Dom's because somebody in the pencil swap gave me one, and I just fell in love with Dom's and ordered a bunch of their stuff off of Amazon. Like, I don't think Caroline store. I don't think CW pencils carries doms at all.
No, they don't have.
I think you're right.
Yeah. Those grips are gorgeous.
Yeah. So they're. They. They're owned by the same people that own Ticonderoga. The Fila group. Yeah. So they own Prang and Lyra and Ticonderoga and a bunch of other.
Okay, so quick question.
Yeah.
As I'm sitting here looking at this, is it worth ordering some of these Doms because they have free shipping?
Yeah, the Doms are awesome.
Okay, done.
The Doms are equally as well made, if not almost better made than some of the Hindustan pins.
Where are you looking, Johnny?
I really love the Doms.
You're killing my bank account. These grips are, like, where it's at, though. The. Yeah, so they're made by Fila, so that's the same grip situation. It's the Ticonderoga groove and the Lyra. Those things are super. So awesome for sweaty hands.
Get the Dom's ultimate dark zoom in the triangle one. So it's like they're pink, purple, and light blue, Like Easter color almost. Those are beautiful.
That's so specific.
They're beautiful, though.
That's awesome.
Yeah. Sorry.
I actually have, like, so many more Indian pencils that I have not reviewed yet, because I'm waiting on some to show up. And I have actually ordered some of those natural checking pencils, like, the red ones. I want to see how they hold up to my favorite checking pencil, which shout out to Harry Marks. I sent him, like, 12 of those and less.
Nice. So there's such a huge, like, wide variety with Indian pencils, like, we're talking about. But what, like, if you had to distill it down to something specific, like, what is it about Indian pencils that appeals to you? Or, like, what drew you to those? Was it just that it was this, like, unexplored territory? Or is there some, like, attribute of them that you really are attracted to
Ronnie from the group? I'm blanking on his last name, but when I first, like, joined the group, he reached out to me and said, like, hey, I want to send you, like, a sampler or whatever. I mean, he does that to a lot of people. And, like, he's really great. Like, shout out to Ronnie. But he.
Way to go, Ronnie.
One of the things that he sent Me was an Apsara Absolute, and I was floored by it because I love a thick cord pencil and this thing writes beautifully and smoothly and. And dark. But the point retention was good. And so then from there on, I like, built up to all, like, checking out all the other pencils. And the one thing that I will say is like, yes, they are really dark and the point retention is not terrible. So that's kind of like why I. Then. Then from that point, from that point on, you're just looking at like, what design do you like?
So what are your. I mean, you could pick the number three to five favorite India pencils.
My number one is the Apsara Absolute. Yes, for sure. That's just like, I've thought this before, but I've gotten a few from, like, the Nataraj Deep Dark. I did a review of it on my website and it's nice, but the paint job is not like, the best. I've had some that were really good paint jobs. And then the paint job was like, the next box I got was kind of like, so. So. But I've never had a bad batch of absolutes, so that's definitely like, I think their best made pencil number one for sure. Number two, I probably have to put the Dom Zoom in gray. I. I don't know. I love that pencil a lot too. And then probably from there on, I just kind of hop around a little bit. The Apsara Joy Nataraj Pop. Those are good ones. I think maybe number three, that I'd have to put the Nataraj 621, the. The regular, like, HB. It's kind of like their version of like the Ticonderoga or something. You know, as far as, like, this is the school pencils, you know, like, they've been commercials for this pencil since, like, you know, the 70s or 60s or whatever. Like, this is a. Just like a classic pencil from. From India. I mean, as far as, like, I'm not Indian and I didn't grow up there, so I have no idea. But, like, from what it seems like, from what I've researched, it seems like this is like their classic, like, school pencil. So I kind of like that pencil a lot too.
What review of Indian pencils on Lead fast are you. Are you most proud of.
Hmm.
Because you've had how many?
I don't. I've had. I went. I did like a month.
Yeah. Yeah.
I mean, I didn't do one every day for a month, but I did like maybe like four or five a week for Like a month, just because I, like, got into it and was doing a ton of them and. And probably, I don't know, probably my Dom's Zoom review. It's probably my favorite.
Yeah.
Because I just love those pencils so much. And they're really, you know, like there's two different styles. There's like the. The Easter egg style and then there's the. The kind of like, business style.
Yeah, Executive.
Yeah, the executive style.
They use that word a lot. Yeah.
There's the gold and regal gold from. From Nataraj and Apsara or whatever. And they. They have, like, the gold and they have the regal gold for executives.
So have you noticed a difference? We talked about this before. That Nataraj is sort of the run of the mill and the Apsara is the nicer one. So at cw, you can get Nataraj Joys and then you can order Apsara Joys, which, in addition to them having yellow, which I don't think they do, from Nataraj. Like, they seem like they're a little nicer.
The Apceros versus the Nataraj.
Yeah. Is that an imaginary thing?
I bought some Nataraj joys just to check them out from CW when I was reviewing the Apsara joys and I thought that they were exactly the same. I didn't find any differences except for in the imprint on the Nataraj one. They do say 2B on the imprint, but the Apsara one just said extra dark. So.
Interesting.
I mean, they're making how many times a day or something like that, so.
Yeah. You know, it's a shame that they missed the yellow. The yellow is the best color of all. The five they make.
Yellow with what color?
The teal on the butt. Those are so pretty.
I have that one. Right. Is that the one with yellow and gray?
It's yellow and like teal blue.
Oh, okay.
Yeah. I have a two pack and my kids both want it one, so nobody got one and daddy kept them both because that color is awesome. So.
These are a few questions. We want to kind of wrap it up and ask you a few questions that we like to ask people, which is about favorite non. Well, kind of favorite pencil items, but also non pencil items. Just kind of. We can do it like rapid fire. But what would you say is your favorite pencil accessory?
Pollux and my metal shop CT bullet pencil. The timber twist.
Which would you have?
It's a beautiful thing.
I have the dark one, like the walnut.
Walnut, yeah.
Yeah.
My dog chewed it up, though.
Oh, that's kill your dog, man.
John offered me. I put a post of it about it on. On Instagram. And John offered to send me at cost. And I was like, dude, no, I'll sand it off. It'll be fine. You don't have to do that. You have super nice and, like, way
too nice, but you have the weirdest stationary disasters. Like, you. Your shelf full of beer fell onto your field notes collection.
Yeah.
Yeah. Can you talk about that for a minute?
Yes, I will talk about that. It was a shelf full of field notes that had a beer can on it. Because I had been doing design.
That's an important distinction.
I've been doing it. Yeah, exactly. I've been doing a design for a beer can for a craft brewer here in Illinois called Old Bakery Brewery out of Alton, Illinois, which is kind of across the river from St. Louis. And I had two of their cans, their previous cans in front of me. And what happened was my shelf that had. That sat above my computer that had all the field notes, like, boxes, these little plastic boxes that I have, the super stackers or whatever they're called. Yeah, that thing failed and it just. It landed. One of the beer cans was on it. One of the beer cans was on the. On the desk. And it. They were both closed. I mean, they didn't have anything, you know, there, but they blasted everywhere. And that really put a lot of perspective in my life as far as, like, all right, like, just use this stuff, man. Because, you know what, were they going to bury you with your Butcher Blue? Like, who cares?
Just use it.
You're going to get more joy out of using it. And you're going to get more joy from the look on, like, the Field Nuts face when they're like, are you using a Butcher Blue? Like, yeah, dude, I'm totally using a Butcher Blue. Like, just a crane. I watched Draplin rip open a grass stain green two weeks ago at the Field Notes HQ Pop up shop thing. He just tore it open. He's like, oh, yeah, I'm gonna sign this thing. And just. And I don't know if the guy even told him that he wanted it signed. I think he was just showing it to him and the guy was like, oh, okay.
So.
Oh, my God.
Yeah, it was awesome, though. Like, that's.
I mean, that's.
It sucked. It sucked. And I had so many people from the Field Nuts community and from the erasable community reach out to me, like, dude, what can I send you to help you out? Like, get your collection back? And I was like, no, it's cool. Yeah. Oh man. I had like five packs of butcher orange that just went kabloey.
If you could Ravenswing. Ravenswing. So speaking of field notes, you know we all have certain tastes in our pencil friendly paper. What's yours? Favorite favorite, your favorite favorite and your regular favorite.
My favorite favorite is the write notepads top bound graph. I wish they would make that in a fat ledger.
But so yeah, they call it the steno. I'm trying to get them to rename it the tablet which you know, all of their notebooks have a cool name that would work.
Just make it a big fat like ledger. That would be because their graph is way too tiny.
Email the hell out of Chris because they can just make whatever they want. They have the equipment there.
We have the technology, we can rebuild it. So I honestly but that like I use that, that graph paper for all my like pencil reviews as far as like my testing. So that's kind of like where I consider like perfect middle ground of like hey, it works for good for pens and it's really great for pencils. As far as like what I am liking right now. I've really been digging the Infinity Baron Fig Vanguards. Those things are amazing. And they, they like suck up pencil though. I mean the Baron fig paper is like really super toothy.
Yeah.
And like in the best way. I love it. I can like take like an F pencil and like make a nice dark line there on that because it's just perfectly toothy to like take all the lead off of your point. But if you're writing with something soft like beware you will be sharpening. So those are my two favorite kind of like papers right now. I think field notes papers a little bit like anymore like after I've like grown out of it and like came back to it. I think it's a little too like glossy. I feel like some of my pencils almost like shine over, you know, like or they don't quite like get in there on the paper. Like there's something between the paper and the pencil that's stopping it.
There's that.
The new 60 pound is nice. But when you go back to the 50, I get that feeling.
I've been today I was a little bit was writing in a Shenandoah and that has like seven or. Yeah. 60 pound paper and it was just a little. Seems a little glossy.
Shelter wood in America.
I like when they do toothy stuff.
Yeah. Shelter wood in America. The beautiful have very like smooth paper.
It's kind of buttery oh, ATB was so pretty, and they all hated it when it came out. Yeah, everybody was always so ugly. Now everybody wants it.
Well, everyone likes the. The byline paper, but obviously you can't find a byline anymore. The store supply company notebooks have the exact same paper in them.
I got a bunch of bylines.
Cool.
And those storage supply company books, I've. I've been carrying that as my daily carry right now. And that. That thing's awesome.
What kind of revolver are you carrying through edc? Nice.
Sweet. Credit card knife. Where it folds up into a credit card. It's like sneaking on the plane kind of when I need to take care of business, I can untake it and put it and stab it.
What kind of tactical vape are you using nowadays?
Cinnamon vape, because half of the people are allergic to it and it makes their eyes and they can't see me
running and vaping at the same time. Hashtag tactical vape. Hashtag erasable podcast.
That should totally be the name of the podcast.
Hashtag Tactical vape has tactical vape.
It has to spell out hashtag.
Of course.
You have to, obviously, with the hashtag in front of the spelling out of hashtag.
So. So what is your favorite pencil in the whole world?
If I had to only use one pencil for the rest of my life, I would probably use the. Probably the Blackwing 602.
I knew you were gonna say that.
Because overall. Overall, it's. It hits all the buttons for everything that I like. What I really, truly want is a natural pencil without any lacquer on it. Like, no thin, clear lacquer. Like, straight up natural. Like, take all my grease and all my oil and all my ear gunk and, like, take it and suck it up. Right.
Wait, you're what?
Ear gun.
You know when you put the pencil behind your ear. Whatever your.
Your stick your pencil into your ear and it's your brain stem.
Oh, I had a. I had a guy on my sales route that did that constantly. It was disgusting.
The stuff behind your ear is just regular grease. It's just concentrated.
Well, whatever. Whatever it is, I want this pencil to suck it up. I want a patina.
Right.
It's like wing 211 with no thin lacquer with a pink eraser. And you want to. Yes. You want a General Silver Ferrocore 24 core.
Yes, General pink.
No, no, I don't. I don't like the general cedar point.
They changed the core on the damn thing too much.
It's the number one and number two Like, I have to actually look at it to see which one I'm writing with.
I have some from 2005. They're like writing with a freaking nail.
The number twos or the number ones?
The twos. They're like, unusable. And then all of a sudden, they got really soft and they changed the feral. Just say them.
The erasers are good.
Who's chewing?
Musgrave.
It's not me.
That is Musgrave. Consistency right there.
General, man.
We ain't gonna be like them Northern generals guys.
Yeah, they. They pick us. They pick a core and they keep it.
That's right. For years.
How? I emailed, so. So they're like customer service offices in Redwood City, California, which is like 20 miles from where I am, and Musgraves generals and I.
3,000 miles from the factory.
Yeah.
And I emailed them once just to, like, see. I had some questions and I wanted to, like, you know, just tell them about the existence of the podcast. And I got a damn form. Customer service email back.
We've spoken with their bosses, with Mr. Brailtimer before at Generals. They said they'd be. Yeah, they said they'd be on the podcast if we wanted them to be the generals people. Yeah. And we should freaking do it. I. Yeah, her name is Kate or Katie.
Yeah, I talked to. Oh, I didn't talk to Katie, but I talked to one of her, like, one of her executives once that actually when I briefly worked@pencils.com I had breakfast with Charles and this person at a cafe close to here.
That is freaking awesome.
Yeah.
You figure that, like, as many, like, small news stations that actually go there and film stuff that they would actually talk to you guys?
Yeah, well, they probably don't know what a podcast.
I mean, how many, like, times is there a YouTube video that's shared in the group that's like, oh, check this out. They talk about generals and it's like some podunk station from, you know, nowhere, New Jersey. The General's pencil factory. Like, hey, how about you guys come on a pencil podcast where people actually care about.
We're on the Internet, so people. It's not very legitimate.
Well, someone made a documentary about pencils and didn't talk to us.
It's true.
Which seems kind of, you know, that's like low hanging fruit. Google.
Google.
People who give a crap about pencils. And all three of us come up our pictures, we're smiling.
Four of us back them up too, pal.
You do.
And they're like, who's this mint Mesa guy
everybody wants.
For some reason, when you said that long time ago, that stuck in my mind. So hilarious.
I had to mute my microphone. When he said that, I was. Peed my pants.
That was amazing.
It's perfect.
It's just Mitt Mesa perfect.
Tim, do you want to.
Don't do two T's, though.
You're not a Romney.
No.
Yeah, that makes it sound like a real name. Yeah, like, oh, his name is just me. Saw. You know, that sucks. Like, that sucks. That's your last name.
It's when you switch my name backwards. Misa is, like, totally void of any, like, nationality, ethnic connection to anything. It's, like, totally just completely made up.
You've lost your identity.
Who could that possibly be? It's like, Russian or is it Argentinian? I can't tell.
You see the governor of Massachusetts, like, what's happening?
He's from a very popular family in New England.
We have to start, like, spreading this around our names backwards. Andy's is really weird.
Mine doesn't sound like anything backwards.
Mine's Reb Mag. That's kind of cool. Sounds like an evil God.
Beware the wrath of the rib mag.
Well, last question for you, Mike, is just simply, what's next for lead Fast? Like, what are you planning to do next?
Well, I hope I can, like, figure out, you know, because I was there for a while. I was there with four days a week, five days a week, because I was between jobs. So I was, like, prolific then. Now I'm trying to, like, figure out how I can get one post a week done. So I don't know, I, I'm trying to, like, make more videos and kind of get more into that space a little bit, because I feel like some people don't do that as much about pencils. Like, there's a gazillion fountain pen videos out there, but no, you know, hardly anything about pencils. So I try to do pencil videos and the notebook videos and stuff. I try to, like, make a video for each, like, major review. If I think that it's, like, a big deal or, like, to me, it's awesome. So I want to do a video. So I'm trying to do more videos and expand my YouTube presence a little bit. Looking forward to your new podcast, $0.03. What's up?
Looking forward to new podcast?
Yeah, I mean, I, I, I podcast with a true buddy.
That's true. You should plug.
I do podcasts with a bunch of my bodies. No, Nobody on here wants to listen to us ramble. It's like Five high school friends talking about bs but amazing.
It's an accomplishment to be friends with anyone you went to high school with.
That's true.
Yeah. That's the only people I'm friends with. That's why I'm, like, so prolific in the group, because I don't have any friends in champagne. Except for Hannah Kang. Shout out to Hannah Kang.
Hannah King.
Hannah King. We had lunch the other day. It was awesome.
Oh, that is awesome.
But, you know, I'm trying to, like, get more into doing more notebooks as opposed to pencils lately. So I have like three or four things on the docket, notebook wise, that I need to talk about. Like, not just pocket notebooks, because I've been doing a lot of field notes, a lot of write notepads, a lot. You know, those type of things. Like, I want to do stuff that's more like long term, but for me to do the. The review, I feel like I need to use it for a little while. So that takes a little bit longer, you know, so on and so forth. So I kind of am just trying to, you know, expand it a little bit. I. I did dabble into trying to do, like a fountain pen review here and there, but I was like, you know what? There's way too many people that are way more into it than I ever even thought. My fingernail being so plus.
Stupid. Sorry.
Plus fountain pens are stupid. I actually have decided that, like, I don't like fountain pens.
I.
After buying, like, six of them, seven of them, I've decided, like, I just don't like them. I don't like the fussiness. Like, I can grab a pencil and sharpen it and go, right, I owe you a hug. Rollerball pen. What's that?
I owe you a hug.
I mean, I seriously don't. Like, I just. I cleaned them all this weekend. I was like, you know what? I'm just gonna sell these carbon Dillon.
You know what I want to write with this thing that never writes.
That's the thing is, like, when you've got it, when it's just right and it's working, it's like, really fun. But then, like, one thing gets, like, just a little bit pushed off to the side, and then you spend three hours with a little sheet of metal rubbing between them and, like, pressing the tines down and like, trying to grind stuff. It's like, what am I doing?
Hey, I'm going to get this stuff with a fancy name. It's going to fade if you blow on it. It bleeds everywhere.
Don't Take it on an airplane.
Let's put my. My life's work down in this crap. Crap.
So I got into it really. I really got into it with. Because I was, like, looking for inks. Like, I love the ink aspect of it. Like, different ink colors is. Is why I got into it in the first place. So I just bought this, like, rollerball pen that you can fill with ink, and it sucks. I mean, it's not great, and I won't name it here, but protect the innocent. But it's not it. But I. I can, like, use my inks and, like, not, like, have to be fussy. You know, it's really scratchy, but it's. I don't have to worry about a lot of stuff with it. You know, it's just, like, fill it up and go. And, you know, my favorite pens have been, like, now, like, gel ink and rollerball pens, because, hey, the colors are phenomenal. And, like, the. I'm probably gonna get a lot of hate mail for saying this, but the paper, mate, inkjoy, is, like, one of the best.
I was gonna ask you that ever.
Like, the green is an amazing green.
So I have all the colors and all the points. Sizes. Yeah. In a special box that no one can touch.
I love that Papermate inkjoy green. And I've bought, like.
You talking about the gel pen?
Yeah.
They're amazing. They last forever. I mean, they're expensive.
Like, six of them just because, like, I'll be at Walgreens. And they have them singles. Right. And I was like, oh, I need another green for the car. I need another green for the bathroom. I need another green for the bedside.
Well, that teal is pretty nice.
Yeah, I don't like teal at all.
They make a yellow freaking pen. That's pretty awesome.
Yeah, I've been. I have a buddy that works at a stationary shop here in town, and it's kind of like art supplies and stationery, and they've actually started carrying bear and fig, and they started carrying field notes on my recommendation, and they carry Black Wing and all this stuff. But. But he's really into fountain pens because they sell Kaweco and Safari or Lammy and all that stuff there. So he always, like, gets me a lot of, like, cool fountain pen examples. So I just mess with them, and, you know, I really just kind of want to pour them all over those little color rings that Ana Reinert made and just look at the colors and forget the fountain pen. I mean, that's.
There's our title for the episode Forget the fountain pen.
Forget the fountain pen. I really am another F word. I'm just like, it's just too much for me. It's just too much. Says the guy who went to the Chicago pen show two weeks ago. Hey, that was a ball pen there. I took. Totally. It was totally.
Can't believe you and Jack, like, seeing each other. I was just. I wanted to be like a. Almost like a Sleepless in Seattle kind of a thing. I'm just like, you guys meet up and talk to each other.
I know. Because we weren't following each other on, like, Twitter yet.
Yeah.
So, like, we were following each other on Instagram, but not Twitter. And I was like, oh, yeah. I would post something, and she was like, oh, I just missed it.
I was just there.
Or I'm headed there now. But I went solo, so I move quick when I go solo somewhere. Just in and out. See ya. I hate being awkward, so I just leave.
Well, it's been great having you on. Been enjoying this conversation a lot. And we'll have to do it again sometime.
Absolutely.
Yeah.
Can you tell everybody where to find you in all the different ways on the Internet?
Sure.
So leadfast.org is the blog. I am ledfast.org on Twitter because some guy has eight tweets and he's at Leadfast, so I can't, I can't seem to snag it from.
I found, I found the email address for somebody from the Philippines who had at Wood Clinched on Twitter. And I emailed him. He had a band called Wood Clinched and he just let me have it.
Yeah, this guy hasn't tweeted since 2014 either, so I don't know. I just haven't even worried about it because I, I, I really don't like Twitter. Like fountain pens. I just kind of don't like Twitter either.
It's like you and I are soul mates.
It's just, I don't, I don't need to go there to hear people like, you know, complaining about politics stuff. Like, we all know what sucks. It's great. Like, I just want to see pictures of pins.
Yes.
Or Instagram.
I want to see pictures of coffee. I like looking at it.
Right.
Exactly. I want, I want cats and coffee. That's what I go to the Internet for. I don't need politics. I hear all day. I don't want that.
I want to see mean cartoons about the president.
That's right. Actually, you need to follow my friend Nomi Kane. N O M I K A N E. I don't Just look her up. She writes a lot or draws a lot of stuff for the Nib. Oh, yeah, I think it's the Nib, right? Is that right? The Nib? Yeah. Cartoons and stuff. She's actually lives out in Berkeley, and she is a killer cartoonist, and she does all sorts of hilarious Trump stuff. So look her up. On. On Instagram, I managed to get Ledfast, so. And then I have the YouTube channel, which is, you know, a bunch of letters. So just go to the blog and click on the Lead Fast YouTube link. It's down at the bottom in the footer if you want to check out the YouTube videos.
Can you tell us about your podcast?
Yeah, so I do. It's Good. It's lunch table.org me and all my buddies call ourselves the Lunch Table. And so we do three different podcasts. Me and my friend Ferg do Bad Movie Breakdown, and that is a. I
love the album art for this.
So good alliteration right there.
Yeah. So we do Bad Movie Breakdown, and that's just us talking about, you know, really crappy movies from, like, the 70s 80s, you know, cool as Ice, I think, is our most recent episode.
The album art looks like an old VHS tape that you buy, like, at Walgreens.
Yep, that was the point. Yeah, I, like, even, like, tried to make it to where, like, the. The thing was kerned. Exactly. Like, the Polaroid lettering was kerned, but. And then we do a retro video game podcast called Busting Bricks, and that's where we just kind of get together and talk about, hey, you remember this Nintendo game? Oh, yeah, that was great. Do you remember this one? Oh, yeah, I remember. I'm member. So we do that one, and then
it's a great name for podcast. Busting Bricks.
Busting Bricks, yeah. Try naming a video game podcast. It's impossible. Because every single thing that you come up with is a video game podcast, because every nerd and his grandpa has a video game podcast. So. And then we do what's called the Lunch Table Round Table podcast, and that is just us five founders talking about random stuff. Like, the most recent one we. Or the first one we did was like, hey, what was your favorite? Or what would you pick for a meal on Death Row? Like, so your last meal on Death Row, what would you pick and why? It's kind of a getting to know you and kind of, like, comedy thing or whatever.
So you started all of these within the last, like, couple months, right?
Yeah. Well, we've been working on this for a long time, but we wanted to launch on April 1, like as April's day.
Haha.
Right.
So bunch of we. What we did actually is we wanted it to be like an online magazine, but we kind of started doing podcasts as a side thing and then decided to pivot because a podcasts are funner or funner. Look at me, I'm a writer. Fun. More fun. And they are, you know, it's more fun and it's not as much work. Like I have to sit there and edit and write and if I say something like funner, nobody's gonna be like, oh ho ho, this guy can't write. Oh, whatever. I said funner. Big deal, right? On a podcast. It's not a big deal.
Nobody knows if you can't spell stationary on a podcast.
That's right.
Oh my God. No, he didn't.
We're doing that thing now. So that's taking up even more of my time away from the lead fast. So
cool. Well, why don't we button this thing up And Johnny, why don't you tell us where we can find you on the Internet?
You can find me on the Internet@pencilrevolution.com I'm only once in a while on Twitter Pencelution. And I'm on Instagram at my name. But it's mostly, you know, coffee and children. So. Yeah.
Yes. What about you, Andy?
What is Internet? No, I am on Twitter at awelfley A W E L F as in Frank Le and I am on the Internet at woodclinch.com or Andy, coffee and yeah, Instagram at a wifley as well. How about you, Tim?
Nice. You find me on Twitter timwassom and I'm on Instagram timothywasom. Thanks again to Mike Hagan for joining us on this episode. I got a feeling it won't be the last time, so really enjoyed it. You can find the show notes for this episode at erasable US 75.
75.
If you.
Yeah, I feel like we should have partied for this. We should have all drank on a Monday.
Should have gone to Carbondale. Yeah,
should have gone. Thrown up in some bushes and Carbondale.
Yeah, I didn't make half a fifth.
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