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I'm a little sleep deprived and there's a little bit of whiskey here.
So that is an intro if ever I heard one. Hello and welcome to episode 57 of the erasable Podcast. I am on hosting duties tonight. I am Andy Welfle from Wood Clinched. Joining me are two of my effing best friends, Tim Wasem and Johnny Gamber, the father of three. How are both of you today?
Really effing good.
I'm effer.
Fantastic.
How are you?
I guess we should probably explain that as soon as possible.
We are effing full of it tonight. Mostly because during the main topic, we're going to be discussing F grade pencils, otherwise known as number two and a half, number two and five tenths, number, et cetera, et cetera. So it's kind of that weird little grade between H and B, like the H's and the B's. So, yeah, I'm actually looking forward to this because I think Johnny knows a lot more than I do about it because I just know that it exists, but I don't know why it exists.
I'm not sure why either. That's kind of a philosophical question.
Why does any of it exist?
Yeah.
What are you going to say?
Why do we exist?
Why do we effing exist?
To sharpen pencils.
Yes, indeed. Amen to that. So let's jump into some tools of the trade, Tim. What are you consuming? What are you digging and writing with?
I am writing with, actually. I have two out. I have a 2B Wopex that Johnny sent me, the care package, which I've been excited about because I've been wanting one of those for a long time. And I have a Kimberly fan and I'm using my Write notepads reporter, which is awesome. What do you talk about before?
What do you think of that 2B Wolfex?
Doesn't feel much different than the other to me. It doesn't feel much different than the regular opex, but it's definitely darker. So it's nice. I like it.
Well put.
Yeah, Johnny's actually here with a knife to my back.
Send help.
Send some effing help. Yeah, so that's what I'm writing with. And as far as things that I'm digging right now, I got a couple things in mind that I've really been enjoying lately. The first is I'm reading the Robert Galbraith novels. Do you know about Robert Galbraith?
I don't think so.
Otherwise known as J.K. rowling. Yeah, these are her. That's her pseudonym. That she writes these mystery novels under
Big Day coming up for her.
A friend recommended them, so there. I think she has four books under that name. Three of them are with the same Detective, Cormer and Strike. And I'm reading the first one, which is called Cuckoo's Calling. And it's excellent. It's really good. I just was in the mood for a mystery. Something to just kind of suck me in, you know, that wasn't. I didn't have to slog through. And it was a good choice to finish off the summer. I've actually got the second one lined up too, but I really recommend them. Cuckoo's Calling is great. And then I've been listening to the Day of the Dead compilation, which is if you guys listen to the national, and I may have mentioned this on the podcast before, the group, the national, yeah, are big Deadheads, big fans of the Dead. And so they, over the last six or seven years, they put together this compilation of, I think 60 tracks. And they just got everyone to pitch in, like just friends, to basically record their own versions of Grateful Dead songs. So you have Bonnie Prince Billy and Wilco and Phosphorescent and just ton of people on there. It's really cool compilation. A lot of the songs sound completely different, but in kind of a cool, you know, just different way. Yeah, a lot of people you wouldn't expect to be Dead fans that are kind of reinterpreting these songs in some pretty cool, cool ways. So in the national was actually the. The backing band for most of the people who are on it. Like Steve Malcolmus was on it and. But they were basically the house band for all these tracks and they recorded them in their barn and just did. Yeah, over the course, like six or seven years because they wanted to do it. And now it's out and it's all proceeds of it or it benefits aids. AIDS research. So that's cool. Yeah. So. And honestly, I can say, if you like the Dead, check it out. If you don't like the Dead, check it out on Spotify or something because it is pretty cool, even if you don't know any of the songs. Yeah, it's neat, but that's me. Cool.
Johnny, how about you?
What are you.
What are you digging and writing with?
Sleep Coffee, Mo Willems and various other children related things.
Love.
So. Yeah.
Yeah. So Mo Limit Willems. Mo Lims wrote the Knuffle Bunny books. He wrote like Don't Let the Pigeon Ride the Bus and the Pigeon Books, the Elephant and Piggy books. They're all newer than our childhoods.
Leonardo and the Terrible Monster. Or Leonardo the Terrible Monster.
So the New York Historical Society has an exhibit of his artwork up through the end of September, I think. So when Charlotte and I go up next month, we're going to go there and go to the pencil store. So we've been reading a lot of extra Mob Willems, and both my kids are obsessed with. I don't know if anybody has kids. If you've read those books the Day the Crayons Quit and the Day the Crayons Came Back.
Henry loves those.
They're really, really good. And then you just want to, like, play with crayons all day. And there's a pencil in the second
one, which is cool.
But, yeah, you know, my life's kids lately.
Yeah, but it's good.
It's good. That's good.
Yeah.
So when you say you're digging sleep, are you digging the little sleep you get, or are you digging it that you are getting sleep?
Both.
Oh.
Each time I get it, it feels really good and sounds really dirty. We're getting a lot more of it than we usually get with children, because after three, like, we usually don't get this much sleep when we have a new kid. But Rosie is a very good sleeper. So, you know, if you feed her at, like, midnight, you can sleep till 4 and then. Or 1 to 4, get feeder. Go sleep till 7:30.
That's great.
I think that my definition of getting enough sleep is different than your definition.
Most of those, you know, if you sit down and you fall asleep and an hour goes by, you're like, oh, crap.
Yeah. Where are the kids?
Holding the little spot. That's good.
Jim Gaffigan, stand up where he's like, talking about having four kids. Like, I just had it. We just had a baby. And everybody cheers. And they said, it's our fourth. And nobody cheers. Yeah. People don't get as excited about that part. They're like, well, that's one way to live your life. That's how I matched it.
Two is the kicker. Then you have to keep track of more than one. Like, oh, crap.
Yeah, I'm getting ready for that.
And you forget stuff. You're like, which one did that? I don't remember which one was in that book.
Years of my life. One of them is going to be awake at all times.
Yep. You get used to that part. No, you don't. But you get used to not being used to it.
Yeah.
I'm sorry, I'm rambling tonight in homage to our Theme. I'm writing with Dixon to Ticonderoga 2.5 F. So we'll talk more later about the weird designations people use. And I'm writing it up byline, finally.
Nice. What do you think of it?
Yeah, I like the paper. The covers.
Yeah.
Flimsy, but it's very pocketable. It's very thin. So that's good. Up and down. How about you, Mr. Andy?
Well, I'm actually conversely writing in a write notepads, reporter's pad.
Writing reporter pads.
Yep, it's pretty good. I actually have a fresh point about that pad, which I'll get to later. But I'm writing with a notaraj, one of the pops, which is my still current obsession. Super great. I actually did not have time to try to go looking for my F pencils around. I know that they're on here somewhere.
What the F, Andy?
Yeah, what the f. Where the F. All night, guys. All night. Lately I have been digging. Katie and I have been watching a lot of the RNC and the dnc, just watching some speeches and just seeing what people are up to. I won't go into the differences between the two conventions, but I will say that I just always really like this is political pomp and circumstance that I like. I like the different conventions. I think it's fun when they do the nominating process. See the processes and they have interesting people from each state, you know, check in
with you. Yeah, I'm the opposite. This makes you want to be an anarchist. This whole thing is busted.
Yeah.
You need to be watching the dnc.
Yeah.
F word.
F word.
F word. It's. I think it's. I think it's just fun because it just shows how many, like just how like, crazy it is. Like, it's so bulky. Like, it's a whole lot. Like basically a whole week of just like weird symbolic politics. Politics in like its truest kind of most bloated form, I guess. But I've. Yeah, I know some. I know some of the various, like, people who have. Who are. Who are there, like, for different delegates on both sides of the. Of the aisle. So. Yeah, that's been fun. I've been also watching Mr. Robot season two.
What is that?
So what is Mr. Robot?
We talked about it last week while Johnny was.
Yeah. Oh, that's right.
That's right. Last episode.
I can't remember if I mentioned this last. Yeah, it feels like a. It feels like a cross between Fight Club and a Wes Anderson film. Did I.
What?
Did I mention that last week you did yeah, yeah, it's a. It's really, like, beautifully shot, like Wes Anderson film. But also it's like, vaguely unsettling and has all these, like, crazy, like, dark undertones. Like, visually dark undertones. Like. Like Fight Club. So it's pretty good. It's a computer hacker thing, and I'm embarrassed that I mentioned it last week and forgot about it completely. So apparently I'm still stuck on that. And then also we've been getting like, these little. These little ads for six weeks. Six weeks of the New Yorker for like 12 bucks.
Yeah, I just did that too.
Yeah, I just got.
Well, I did the. Before I saw that, I did the 12 weeks for 12 bucks, which is still awesome. So I've been reading it a good bit the last, like, three weeks when I.
When I was.
You guys. You guys don't already subscribe? God.
Well, when I was a student, they had those deals running where you could get a whole year for like, $46. And I used to do that. And I just realized, like, I can't read all this.
It's unbelievable how much is in there. Like, it's are piled up.
So nowadays I just. Always in November, I buy the food issue because that's my favorite of the issues. The fiction issue sometimes, too.
But what's great, George Saunders article about the Trump campaign.
Yeah.
Was great because he's my favorite short story writer. And that was fantastic.
Yeah, he was really good. There was a guy, the ghostwriter of Art of the Deal. Big thing in there, too. That was just like.
Yeah, that's a good piece.
Yeah.
So can I interrupt you?
Yeah.
Any of our listeners are Prince fans? Apparently that cover of Purple Rain was collectible. I think I have it. If anybody wants it. It's yours for free. But, like, I don't know. I didn't want to recycle it because I know people want it.
Johnny hates it.
I do not want it.
Yeah, that's a cool cover. Katie reads the paper versions, and then I just. I have the app, so I read it on my iPad. What's cool about that is for the time that your subscription is active, you can access all of the back issues. So sometimes it's fun. Go back as far as I can go and just read some stuff.
Have you searched pencils going all the way back yet?
No, but I will. Let's wrap this up, guys.
Less stuff comes up than you want it to, though.
It's kind of depressing.
Yeah, that's true. Yeah, that's a good idea. Cool. So, yeah, that's our digging and writing with the pop culture section. Should we go on to fresh points? Tim, what's your status? Do you want to go first or do you want to go next?
Or I'll go next.
Perfect. Johnny, wait. Tell us about your fresh points.
So first we had a listener named Christoph who sent us some really cool stuff from a visit he took to the Staedtler store in Nuremberg. Jealous.
Yeah.
So he sent us some really cool sort of antique, ish looking square carpenter pencils. Does that make any sense? This is nonsensical.
It's effing nonsensical.
Yeah, they make a kit where you can build a carpenter pencil. So the product they sell apparently in the store. So we sent us each one of those and a really cool natural cedar pencil. And the. The kit which we sent to Tim because Tim, Andy and I have one. It's got glue from Germany and it's so cute.
It's very cool.
I feel like. Johnny, do you remember when those came out? I feel like it was in like 2011 maybe. If you like, sign up at a website, they send you a free one. Is that. Is that what happened?
I'm not sure. Matthias sent me mine a couple years ago. It's so cool. I haven't made it yet. Did you make yours?
No, I haven't made mine yet either.
It's so cool. I just want to show the kid this is what a pencil looks like inside. Charlotte was pretty mesmerized.
Yeah.
But yeah, thank you to Kristoff. I also kept the stamps because they were cool looking. And also, did you guys talk about the yellow bean field notes last week? Last episode?
I don't think we did.
I don't think we did.
Oh my God. So there are other. These field notes editions that come out of the woodwork. Like there's that new one from Nixon. I'm not even sure what they do. And they're ugly as hell.
Nixon.
But yeah, I don't like them.
It's a brand. It's a brand. Draplin did their logo and designed a watch for them. So they're very.
They make watches?
Yeah, they make watches. They make other stuff too, but.
Oh, I have a tattoo on my wrist. I can't wear watches.
Boom.
But the L.L. bean ones are sort of 90s ish. One is camouflage. That's not the 90s. One with orange print and one is like forest green. And the other one is the standard field notes with far screen writing. They're so cool.
What makes those 90s just the classic I don't know.
I feel like everything they put out in the late 90s was far screen.
That's true. That's a good point.
Get a forest green pants. Forest green pants?
Yeah.
You guys have forest green corduroys, right?
Oh, yeah. I'm old.
Pleats
and the cuffs.
Yeah.
Wide whale. The only thing that sucks is the inside is just regular field notes, including mentioning the ink. It just says that it's, you know, the ink they use on a regular field notes. So I have no idea what colors they are. So they're green and they have the 50 pound paper, but they're so pretty that I mentioned them and my wife tracked two down in Yonkers, I think something like that. But apparently it was like a big thing. They only sold them in stores. Everybody called them up and bought them all out. And some people bought like 20 packs because I don't know why and people got no packs, etc. But they're very pretty if you can track them down.
Definitely track them down.
They're probably on ebay for like $500 now.
I didn't realize until just all this happened that there's no L.L. bean on the West Coast. I think that I always confuse L.L. bean and Eddie Bauer. And we have lots of Eddie Bowers around here.
Coming next to the Eddie Bauer edition.
Yeah. Just looks like a mom minivan.
Looks like a backpack.
Yeah, yeah.
It's like they're all tan, brown.
Terrible.
Also, I don't know if you guys follow ubi Am I pronouncing that right? The stationary brand they sell at Target. So they have this whole new line of stuff called I Am Other, which apparently is in conjunction with Pharrell Williams. So it's all about promoting diversity and stuff like that. So my kids have gotten really into it, and they have, like, huge display of their stuff on the back to school section at Target, including. I counted three new packs of pencils, some of which are ugly and some of which are cool, but all of which write nicely. So if you find yourself at Target and want to waste some money or spend some money. There you go.
I love wasting money.
I have a gift card burning a hole in my pocket, like, ooh, I need some gel pens. They also have those striped Bic pencils on sale at Target right now.
Just bought a pencil that's pretty rush.
Did you really?
Yeah.
Do you like them?
I haven't sharpened one up yet, but they're really pretty. I think Les mentioned in the chat that she thinks they're super pretty, and I Agree.
Did you say the Ticonderogas or what do you. I miss what you're talking about.
The Ticonderogas. Oh, you were talking about the bics. I'm sorry.
I think they're both there. I think the bics are the only ones that are on a sale price because I'm the only person that buys them because my kids like them.
The Taekondarogas are great, though.
Oh, yeah, they're really pretty. I dig them. I still like the metallic ones for looks, but they write not so great.
Yeah, I just got a pack of those, too. The new, like, the metallic with the blue and purple. Those are nice.
Yeah, they're really pretty.
The gold one's kind of ugly, but
I like the gold one. It's very pimp delicious.
Very trumpalicious.
Yeah, that's an episode topic. We need to do pimpalicious pencils.
Pimpalicious pencils.
Or at least a T shirt. So, speaking of pimps, my last fresh point is. So right after Grand Budapest Hotel came out, when was that? Like, 2014.
Literally the only time that Pimp and Grand Budapest Hotel was mentioned in the same sentence.
Just shitting like a shitting dog. Sorry.
Go on.
So I got a bug up my butt to sort of arrange pencils in the themes of Wes Anderson movies or for the palettes. So, yeah, the photos turned out like crap. And I'm lazy, so I never redid it. But I just got, you know, I don't know, motivation to put it up. So I put it up the other day.
No, I love. I love that post. That was. That was brilliant.
I thought the Mr. Fox, that was my favorite.
We need to, like, get Wes Anderson to, like, look at it.
He emailed me, said that he thinks I'm really cool and I get to be an extra in his next movie.
Oh, nice.
That worked out.
Yeah.
Yeah.
It'll work out well for me. Like, what's that guy? Matthew Gray, Gubler. And he got his own show. I'm on my way up.
Yeah.
Nasal voice.
Guys, think of us little people when you get your own show.
We said I can invite two friends, you know.
Oh, good.
Except I can invite one friend. You guys have to fight it out in the fighting pits.
I'll race you there. Ian.
Yeah, I think I know who's gonna win.
So I did. In researching it, if Wikipedia is correct, his next movie is gonna be another animated movie or stop motion, which could be pretty awesome.
Yeah, so.
Yeah, but that's. Those are all my points. Who wants to Go.
Next.
Okay. Jump on it, team. First of all, I'm sure everybody's wondering how my Snapchat life is going. I mean, I am since that last one, I still don't understand it for the most part, so I think I
have some good snaps.
Okay. Yeah, thanks. That's something I'm proud of.
Yeah.
But at same time, it's. It's one of those things like Twitter. Took me, like, three years to figure out. After three years, like, now I love it. Like, I feel like I could use it forever, you know, I just love Twitter, but this one, I just don't. I feel like kind of thing where if everyone I knew was using it, then it would be great.
Yeah.
But it's kind of annoying when someone, you know, you follow someone and they just have a Snapchat thing and they send it to everybody.
Yeah.
And then you're like, oh, Snapchat from this person. You open it up and it's like something totally random, and it's like, obviously, this is for everybody. You know, it's just. It just kind of. It's like, I'd rather just stay on Twitter. But. Yeah, But I did figure out what my username is, so. It's MIT Mesaw. So M I T M E S A W like Tim wasam back. Crap.
I just added you and your wife.
Yeah, no, I'm still on there. It's on my phone, but I just don't get it yet. Anyways, I'm sure that was really interesting for people.
That's what Mitt me saw. Yeah, I just now got that the worst.
That's one of my efforts to prevent students from finding me.
Um, so now they just have to listen to this podcast.
Yeah, now they just have to make it 28 minutes into this podcast.
Yeah.
Good luck, guys. And the only other thing I was going to bring up is we haven't talked about the Blackwing colors yet.
Yeah.
So Blackwing released colored pencils recently, I would say. What was that, three weeks ago? A month ago?
They may, I think, feel like they released them less than that. Maybe like two weeks ago since. Since you and I recorded.
They announced them pretty late, though, didn't. Or, like, like, pretty recently.
Yeah.
All right. Or maybe I'm thinking the announcement. But yeah. So they're. They're made by. Under the Blackwing name. They come in. It looks like a pretty cool box, kind of like flips open, like a book that has a window in the front. They come in a 12 pack. They have metal caps on the end, which I think looks pretty sharp. So that whatever color it is, the whole barrel is that color.
And then you.
The. The metal caps on the back to kind of help it. Help balance it out. And I'll say that I thought they were going to be more expensive, which. That's a bonus. I thought that they were going to come out. They were going to be like 35 bucks or something.
Yeah.
$20 for a 12 pack of hopefully really good colored pencils.
It's a pretty. It's a pretty basic color palette, but.
Yes. Yeah, it looks like you basically have pink, red, orange, yellow, light green, dark green, baby blue, royal blue, brown, black, and something else in there. Purple. There's a purple, yeah. Oh, actually a silver.
Don't you think that each one, instead of black wing, should be called whatever the color is and then wing? So like royal blue wing, gray wing, white wing.
That could be problematic. Some of those mean something light green.
Light green wing.
It's got a nice ring to it. Brown wing. Yeah.
Oh, the brown wing.
That's a newborn thing.
Yeah.
Brown wings.
Yeah. Roses on your lap. What just happened? Brown wings.
Are you making this up?
I just made it up.
Okay.
You know, so there. There they are. You know, I'm probably not going to order any just because I don't use colored pencils ever. But I would. I will say that if they were sold as single colors, like if I could get a 12 pack of blue ones or something for editing or for, you know, just things like that, that'd be kind of cool. But I'm just not a go to.
They should do like a teacher's edition. It's like red ink or red lead checking pencil.
Yeah, the marking pencils. That'd be cool. That'd be cool. So, yeah, like I said, I just think they look cool. I think it looks like they did a good job. I'd like to hear from people who've actually used them to hear how they write because that's. That's gotta be a hard thing to get to justify that price for colored pencils when just like regular pencils, you can go out and get them for $2 or something at the grocery store. So colored pencils, I feel like getting the different color mixtures and getting it to have the right feel is probably a pretty difficult process. I'm guessing they've been working on those for a long time. Or hopefully they've been working on them for a long time is what I mean. Yeah. Yeah. That's all I've got.
Cool. Well, I. I need to Get Johnny's permission to talk about my first fresh point. Do you see it, Johnny?
No.
Okay. It involves a different.
Shut up.
Ding, ding, ding, ding.
There's a little store in San Francisco right on Divisidero called Rare Device. And most of it is like little cool hipster design things. Expensive, expensive design things. But there is one thing that was not expensive and stood out to me and it is a Pentel plastic fountain pen made in Japan. And it's made. It's kind of like co. Branded with the CraftOn Craft CDT craft design technology. Yeah, it's. It's really cool. It's. It's a plastic bladed fountain pen. But instead of like just a regular looking, just like the nib sticking out of the front of it with the reservoir in the back, the plastic blade, if you will, is kind of sandwiched in the middle and it looks like the capillary action kind of like runs down either side of it. I don't exactly know how it works, but what's interesting about it is because it's plastic, like the nib is plastic, it sort of feels. It writes like a fountain pen, but it sort of feels like a felt tip marker. And yeah, I really.
I've seen those before.
I'll put a link in, show notes. But it was $8, which was super cheap, especially for that. For that shop. And you can buy refills. You can buy red and blue refills, which includes the nib and everything all together for $3. So I bought a whole set. They're fantastic. If you want like a. Something that's a little bit like thinner than a Sharpie and thicker than a ballpoint. Kind of like those sign pens that you sent me, Johnny.
I mean.
Yeah.
Oh, yeah. Oh, I'm sorry. Yes, the sign pencils. No, those sign pens you can get.
Yeah, those are really cool pens. I like those.
Yeah, it kind of feels like that. So I really like it. I've been just kind of using it off and on when I'm not, you know, using pencils, of course.
So you can do a few times.
Yeah, yeah. So, yeah, that's a fantastic thing. I should pick up a few of those and send it to some people along those same lines. So I saw it at the shop in San Francisco and then I also saw it when I was in Vancouver. Last week I went to a conference in Vancouver, which is pretty fantastic. But they're right on Granville island, which is kind of the little touristy logging community island thing. I don't really know how to describe it you have to take a little water taxi to get there. They have like a really fantastic market and they have a bunch of shopping and bunch of restaurants and they have a place called Paper Ya Paper hyphen Y A. And it's a really great little like, like arts and crafts store they have.
And this is in Canada.
This is in Canada. Vancouver, Canada.
So it's paper. Yeah.
Paper. Yeah. Paper.
Eh,
Sorry for all of our Canadian listeners. I was, I was making fun of Canadians.
Writer emailed me.
Yeah. When I was in Canada. So people in Canada say a lot of like say process and project a lot. So I was live tweeting the conference and definitely like pronounce extra pronouncing a
project project in like the midwestern project.
Project Sausage. What was I saying? Oh paper yacht.
How do we get on sausage?
So they have a bunch of
your
standard fancy stationery shop stuff. But they also had a lot of those Delfonics notebooks like Rollbahn, those things that June brought back for us. They had those in like four different sizes. If I was thinking about it and I had more like cash with me, I would have just picked up all of the sizes everybod needs. But they have, including that little tiny size. They have like four different sizes of Rollbahn notebooks. I just love them. They're beautiful. But they're so expensive even in Canada. But yeah, there were some other little brands that I'd never heard of that were pretty great and they pencil wise it wasn't that great. They had black wings, they had some like, they had some craft design technology, pencils, some of that stuff. But. But yeah, paper. Yah. If you are in Vancouver, I will add it to the Ricardo graphite map. Go there. It's awesome.
Nice.
I should probably give us an update. Just today I got my everything else enhancement kit from Grappling.
Sweet.
I assume that everybody who's listening is familiar with this, but if you are not. Aaron Draplin released a book which we talked about and then through his website he sold something he was calling the. So the book is called pretty much everything, the Aaron Draplin Story. Something like that. So he released on his website a kit called the Everything Else Enhancement Kit. And what that is is it's mostly just a really nice slipcover for the book but he has thrown a bunch of other interesting things in it. Let me grab it real quick here. He shipped it, the slipcover with some like prints and some stickers and some like insane field notes. If you're in the field Notes group. You've probably seen this, but for a while he released pictures of it and we noticed the paper, like the, like the paper that you could see through the, like around the side is like a dark orange. And so everybody's like, oh, cool. It has like an orange gilding on it. That's really awesome. No, it turns out the entire. The actual paper is orange. It's Neenah Astrobright Orbit orange paper. It's really dark and really, really orange. It's pretty fantastic. I think it would be best if you have like a white gel pen that would look amazing in it. So. And then also like, you know, something really dark as well. But you would have to use a really, really dark pencil to make a. Make a dent in these. But yeah, they look fantastic. If you order them too, you will get one limited edition pencil, a Draplin pencil, which I assume kind of looks like your standard, like Musgrave pencil, but it is just stamped with like the Everything Else enhancement kit pencil or you know, you know how he labels things. It's pretty cool. The only place you're going to be able to get it. So I think you might still be able to buy some of these. They are on his website. They're like 60 bucks for this whole thing. I just liked it because it was a bright orange slipcover for the book, which seems really appropriate. Somebody in the field Nuts group was joking like, oh, what are we going to do to protect our slipcover? So they need a. And everything else enhancement kit. Enhancement kit, yeah. Anyhow, it's pretty great. Just came today. I'm gonna need to dig into some like the stickers and the prints that came with it. I should probably mention found another practical use for the reporter's notepad. Katie and I have been looking at apartments in San Francisco, which is kind of an insane process because it's just like a crazy market right there right now. There's a lot of like wandering around and only looking at a place for a few minutes and just like getting in and out. And turns out it's the perfect thing to just kind of like hold in your hand, flip up the top and then just like start writing things in lists. So, yeah, that has come in really handy for us.
Cool.
I think that the Write Notepads one is the best one to use like that because it's more like a true reporter's notepad, unlike the byline, but it's much easier to just kind of. It just makes its own backing, which I appreciate. Yeah.
Plus you could beat Somebody up with it if you wander in the wrong neighborhood.
Yeah, exactly.
That's how we make our notebooks.
And Baltimore
would come in handy in some neighborhoods in San Francisco, I'll tell you that. Last thing I'll mention is something that I swear one day I'm going to put on my blog. But it has been crazy week. Somebody in the group mentioned a really good point in that all of the Blackwing editions that we've had so far have been like dead white guys.
I'm really ashamed that it never occurred to me.
Yeah, me neither. Which for a second, yeah, we're all alive white guys. And it's kind of hard to look past that. And it's definitely not like I really should point out that this isn't me calling the black wing people racist, sexist, anything like that. Not at all. But I would love to see a woman or a person of color or both and. Or on the next edition. I think that in that post we were just kind of brainstorming, like, what some awesome additions would be. Tim, your. Your Toni Morrison edition was amazing. I love the evidence you had.
Yeah, I would be all over that. And she's a pencil person, too, so.
Really?
Yeah, she. In a interview with the Paris Review, the Art of Fiction, they asked her about her process, and she writes on legal pads, and she uses pencil for nice first drafts. Would be perfect.
Do we know what kind of pencil she uses?
Ticonderoga number two.
Cool.
Yeah, just. And this was 1995 or 90, like late 90s or something like that. So she. Yeah. So the Blackwing 124 was the idea because of the book Beloved, which starts out with 124, was spiteful, full of a baby's venom, which is one of the most. That opening just crackles, you know, when you. When you start that book. So. So iconic.
So does your baby have venom, Johnny?
One of them does, but I won't tell you which.
You just have to find them.
You'll have to kiss each one of them and see what you get a burn from.
So I came up with a few ideas. I hate to say them, just in case Blackwing wants to use any of them, but I think that there's plenty to choose from. So one of them was volume 11.8, which is the Grace Hopper edition.
Oh, decimals.
Yeah, I know, right? Apparently. So 11.8 in inches is the distance that light travels in a nanosaurus. Second. And Grace Hopper was known for using lengths of wire this long as visual aids when she talks about satellite communication. Technology, which is cool. Another one I just about a month ago saw Gone with the wind. So volume 1940, the hand, the Hattie McDaniel film edition. Hattie McDaniel, who of course played Mammy in Gone with the Wind, she won an Oscar for that and she was the first woman of color to win an Oscar in 1940. And then it was another long time, like 2004, before Halle Berry won and she was the next woman of color to win an Oscar. Crazy. Volume 45, the Jesse Owens edition. That would he. Within within 45 seconds, he broke three world records and tied a fourth, which is pretty awesome. Volume 70, the Ibrahim Ferrer Music edition. He's a Cuban singer who joined the Buena Vista Social Club at the age of 70. So nothing like starting early. The one that was a little bit reaching was volume 35, the Frida Kahlo edition. Because of polio and because she was in a bus accident. She had 35 different surgeries and just the constant pain that she felt informed her artwork a lot. One of my favorites is the idea. Volume 135, the Ralph Ellison edition. In 1936 he moved to 135th street in Harlem where he began his novel writing career. And then I needed one that tied into San Francisco. So I have volume 11, which is the Harvey Milk politics edition. He was of course the first openly gay publicly elected official in California. And he served 11 months before he was shot. So can you imagine a rank. Can you imagine a rainbow Blackwing guys.
Oh man, that would be pretty awesome.
That would be amazing.
So yeah, I'm paint one tonight.
I'm going to definitely post this and yeah, that would be an amazing thing to see for whatever the next Blackwing edition is. So. Yay. Should we. Should we talk about the main. The effing main topic?
Fds.
What the F. Let's do it. Yeah.
So yeah, I'll kind of intro it. And I assume, Johnny, that you will be doing the majority of the talking because I feel like you have done your research much more than we have. At least I have. I don't want to spoil you too. Or you just naturally know more about it.
Yeah, about that. I just have zero experience with it. So yeah, I'm going to be leaning on Johnny on this one.
Yeah. As we all do every day.
Well, I'm a good hugger, so that's good.
So yeah, we're talking about two number two and a half pencils graded F. F as in Frank. So yeah, certainly all tasks and jobs call for different pencil characteristics. An artist Might be unable to sketch in 4H. For example, an engineer is not going to smudge up a textile drawing with a 6B pencil. So there are so many pencil grades already and different manufacturers. Iterations of say, HB makes the hardness darkness scale seem infinite. So why is there a half grade pencil? I think in the European scale, the Conti scale, Is that what we're calling it? I don't remember my terminology.
Oh, wait, what is that called? I know, the same thing as thoreau. Isn't it one through four?
Yeah, yeah. So. Well, so in the US oftentimes, people call it a number two and a half. We've seen number number two and five, 10, which is weird because that's a
half, two and a half.
And there's something that's like.
Yeah, there's a thing where everybody.
Okay. Oh, yeah, go ahead.
When they were new, they were trademarked, so each company had to do a different one.
Oh.
Actually, so interesting. I guess that isn't true anymore because a lot of people use the same ones.
Number two and ten twentieths. And of course, somewhere out there, there's the two and five eighths, which is like. I feel like it's like a drill bit or something. So, Johnny, what do you think? Where do you think the F came from? Where the F stand?
Oh, F stands for fine.
For fine.
Or do you mean why does this grade exist?
Why does this grade exist as well?
From what I could figure out, it was sort of an early half of the 20th century thing. I could be totally wrong about this, where people were a lot more concerned with point retention than they are now because they didn't have a masterpiece in their pocket. How long your pencil point lasted. It was really a bigger deal in your day than now. You might use it so little, you sharpen it in the morning and you're good.
They're more expensive too, probably.
Yeah, yeah.
So
we have this in the notes. Like with. With all of the different versions of a pencil, you'd figure, you know, say you like a Ticonderoga HB or number two. Why couldn't you just use a brand that has a harder number two? Since there's no standard. But what if you really like the feel of a Ticonderoga pencil and you don't want an H because why would you do that? It's like writing on a nail. So you go for the F, the number two point. Or they call it the 2.5 Ticonderoga. So, I mean, the fact that they still exist seems like a really, really Delightful throwback because I can't imagine there are a lot of people unless, you know, that's what they learned within school. They really want a two and a half pencil.
Yeah.
Or would even know that they would exist to look for them. I mean.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Who makes them? Generals makes them still. Limerado still comes in at two and a half. And Ticonderon Roga and I walked into Staples today and bought a box of Ticonderon Roga two and a half. So somebody wants them.
Yeah, yeah.
That makes me happy.
I think that I have a. Somewhere I feel like I have a mongol. That's. That's like that.
Yeah. They used Eberhard favorite, used two and three eighths.
Yeah.
So trademark. General still does it where General still uses two and two fourths, which I think is delightful also.
Yeah. Two and two fourths. I think they're really good for. Because they are slightly harder but still not like, as you say, writing with a nail. They're really good. If you just need to take informal notes for an extended period of time. It doesn't have to be pretty, but at the same time you can go for a while without dulling the point.
Plus, I imagine there's a bit of a mental block if you're going to use an H pencil. I can't bring myself to use an horror or A2H or anything like that. I just can't do it. So if I want something harder and I don't want to go German, then I'll get a two and a half.
Yeah.
And it's for long form writing. I know they're. We've. We talked about this ways back. I don't remember what episode it was,
but I think it was Harry Marx.
Was it Haruki Murakami? Do we talk about him? Oh, yeah. Because he's like kind of famously uses Murado. I think it's. I think that's what it was. Murado's in F and that's his. All of his novels are written with that. He's got a big, huge jar of them on his desk.
They like Ticonderon Roga put 2.5 and also F on the pencil, which is really cool because it's General Studio. I think General says, you know, two and two fourths. So I appreciate that they put the F on there also.
Yeah.
Sort of out of place.
Part of me, I just like seeing those fractions like written on, like stamped on the side of the pencil.
So I looked up a couple and Faber Castell used To use two and two thirds for an old Venus all purpose pencil, which is really cool.
Two and two thirds.
I'm pretty sure that the. What they call the HB version of the grip 2001 is two and a half. They call it because they equate B with number two.
That would make sense. I was going to bring that up with F is that it's kind of an anomaly to. It's really rare to see it on the pencil these days. But at the same time I bet there are like. I have tons of pencils that I would call an F, you know, that are actually marked as a HB or whatever. So there's that side of it, like what it's actually labeled as. But if we're just talking about that hardness. Those are just the pencils who seem like if we decided on a baseline, like right in the middle is whatever Taekonda or the Palomino HB or something is like whatever we. We think of as a true HB that we're talking about, whatever is just a little bit left to center towards the. The H side. And there's tons out there that's like that. It's. But labeled that way. Yeah, yeah, sure. It's might even be a little too smooth.
I think this, this whole like number two, like the number two, number one, number two and a half, like rating. I think it just shows how American of a unit of measurement that is just very like, you know, it's like. It's like using Fahrenheit or inches and miles and things like that. It's.
We do it.
We do it because it's how we've always done it. Not because it makes a lot of sense.
Right.
And the one to four system is so clunky anyways. Like that just makes it even more clunky. And it's like just stubborn. Yeah, it's like two and five, ten. Don't you mean two and a half? No, you shut your mouth. You shut your mouth, America.
I've seen some pencils market here that are number. They're 2B and they're number 0. They were Faber Castell or something. Or Stabilo.
Oh, cool.
That's also very delightful. I feel like these weird throwbacks in the world of pencils are part of the reason that people still dig them so much. Like Ticonderoga is the same color they've been since World War II and they still make for no reason, 2.5. I can't imagine they're selling a lot of them. They're still Hard to get if you get them online or basically staples.
Yeah. Did I tell you when I was at that conference in Vancouver, I met this guy who owns a software agency called Yellow Pencil. So I started talking to him about it and he knows his stuff. We talked a little bit about why pencils are yellow and we talked about different things. Pencil manufacturer in the US where he gets like some of his swag and yeah, I was. He's done his research. It's not just like co opting a pencil for design like a lot of people do. I was pleased with that.
That's cool.
Yeah, that's awesome.
So, yeah. What's. What's all of Your favorite, favorite 2 and a fraction pencils? What's your favorite FN pencils?
I can start because I'm using mine which I don't have that many to compare. Yeah, I actually have like that are actually marked F. I have one that's modern and then I have like five that are vintage, you know, that wouldn't be able to get any more that are. They're great. But I actually do enjoy the Kimberly F. And that was one. I only have two of them and I remember the first one, weirdly enough. I was at my church and I needed to jot something down. There was like a basket full of pencils and I looked in and I saw, you know, deep in the bottom of the pile, I saw the gold cap on the end of something. I was like, there's a. There's a Kimberly. Weird. And I dug in and it actually ended up being an F. And I grabbed that little stub and used it. And I enjoy those actually. I think I kind of have to be in the mood for them or have a certain task to fit them. But I like that pencil. And of course Kimberly looks awesome. I've got some other ones here that I really enjoy and these were sent by listener Lauren a while back. She sent me an awesome package of cool things and some vintage ones that I'm really, really digging that I've been messing with today was I have a barrel around barrel black warrior 372 and two and a half, which is a very cool, very cool looking pencil. And I also have an Eagle Murado 174 in two and a half. That one's actually a yellow hex. Two very cool pencils. And they're, they're. I would. If I. If you could still buy those Warriors, I'd probably still use them. Yeah, I really, really enjoy that. But the Kimberly F is just kind of the One in my head I've not tried any of. I think, Andy, you're gonna talk about like the Tombow Monos.
Yeah.
And I bet those are nice, but I've just never, never tried one. I did. I remember my. When we started the podcast, my mom was going through things at the house and I had told her about it and she's like, oh, I didn't, you know, didn't know you're interested. Then she gave me of American ticonderoga mediums, the 2 1/5. And so I've got one of those.
You're like, mom, you don't even know me.
In front of the. Yeah, I got those in front of me. One of those in front of me. But that's like my entire collection. But yeah, but I do enjoy the. Kimberly. I. I wish that Generals was better with things like buying in bulk of things, things like that. Like, you know, you can buy like a two pack. I actually would maybe be interested in buying a dozen of them somewhere, but
I think
ours doesn't.
They used to. And we don't have one in Baltimore.
They don't sell any Generals by the dozen except for Cedar Point.
For way too much money, right?
Like eight bucks or something.
No way.
But that's me. What about you, Johnny?
Well, my prob. My two favorites are the Staedtler Mars Lumograph 100 and F and the Ticonderoga. Because I sort of stole this idea from Matthias Meckel, who does Bleichdift, which is one of the oldest and, you know, best pencil blogs out. And he's sort of obsessed with F grade pencils for, you know, clarity. And it's a good way to use a pencil that's like, for lack of a better word, hard but still smooth. So you're not using like, you know, a math pencil that's rubbing holes in your notebook. But so sort of in homage to him, I've become obsessed with the Lumograph F, which is probably the perfect F because it's really, really smooth and the point lasts forever in a day and it doesn't smear, so they're super, super perfect. Also, I didn't put this on my list, but the Mitsubishi hi Uni F is delicious, but probably only because it feels like somebody else's hb.
Yeah.
So, you know, I mean, that's, that's a Japanese pencil thing. They're softer, but probably the Ticonderoga, because my best friend's dad studied engineering and he was sort of obsessed with them specifically so Then I got a box. And even when Ticonderoga is going through one of those phases where their pencils suck, they're still pretty good.
Yeah.
If that makes any sense. You know, we've been trying to listen
to the group lately.
I think we should start calling Taekondos. Yeah, some people call them tykes. I like Taekondos.
They're good. Sometimes they're great. Right now we do a whole episode on Ticonderoga and the ups and downs.
Cool.
Yeah.
Kind of in the same line as those Mitsubishi Hyunis. God, I just love Japanese pencils because The Tombow mono Fs are my favorite
F that I've ever used.
I have not used the Mitsubishi's, which I really should and want to, but I found. I think I found a Tombow Mono F at Mido once when I was going there and never, never saw them again. So I bought a couple of them. I can't find them right now, but yeah, they're really good pencils. They're kind of buttery. They're like Johnny said, they're pretty. Pretty hbe. Or even. Maybe even a little bit more B too. They're buttery and dark. And of course, say F on it looks like monov. Looks like you can get them on.
On.
On Amazon.
Yeah, they're. I was actually just looking at that. The. Not the. Are you talking about the Mono one hundreds? Just the Monos.
I was talking about the just straight up Monos. But yeah, I bet there's mono one hundreds too.
Yeah, but yeah, the Monos are actually only $8.39.
Yeah.
For a dozen. And there's a 15% off coupon available right now on Amazon. I may do that.
I'll put a. Put a link in, show notes with a referral link if anybody wants to throw a few cents of your order to the fine folks at the Erasable podcast.
Literally a few cents.
Yeah, I like those a lot. And somewhere I also have a Mongol 2 and 58 that I've used, I think. I don't know. I started off back when I first started paying attention to pencils. I had some Mongols and I liked them a lot and they were great. And I'm just like, I still love the way they look. They just look so classic. But not. I'm just like, meh. Like they don't write that great. Whatever. Yeah, I still love that copper and black ferrule though. It's still the best part for me. But yeah, have that one laying around too. And I know that I have some other Fs around, but I can't think of any that particularly stand out to me.
Where the F are they?
Yeah, where the F. We have a
dumb one in a couple minutes.
Yeah, it was time. It's like the shot clock for basketball. Like, you have to. We'll get penalized if we don't. If we don't make an F joke.
Sorry, guys,
I don't understand the basketball reference at all.
Did you know? And sports reference.
Sports.
And maybe. Maybe Tim, you know this already. Apparently the shot clock. The first game that ever basketball game that ever used a shot clock was played in Fort Wayne, Indiana.
I didn't know that.
It was the Fort Wayne Pistons before the Pistons moved to Detroit.
Huh. I didn't know that. Yeah.
I only knew that because I listened to a podcast where they were talking about that.
About the Fort Wayne basketball.
Yeah, the Fort Wayne Pistons and like their. The history of basketball.
Nice. Yeah, this is just back where I was talking about Haruki Murakami. But we. We could have also talked about Steinbeck. He was a user of F pencils. He used the 482 and 3 8. F was hard writing days.
Yeah.
Yeah. And then also the interview with his son Tom, like when they were making the Blackwing 24, you know, he had talked about hardness and how like, it needed to be harder. They liked the. Something that can hold a long point for a long time. And yeah, I think F was probably right in his wheelhouse too. So another person who would use it for long form writing.
Yeah.
Which just totally makes sense. Especially if you've got a really nice one that's. That's not going to feel scratchy.
I think one could say that the. The 24 is. Is the F of black wings.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Probably. Probably as close as they'll ever get. I doubt they'll go any harder than that.
I can't imagine that.
Yeah.
Until they come out with like a mixed grade set of black wings.
Yeah. Which. Yeah, that's true. And that could probably. They're like an artist set.
Yeah.
That's another thing we didn't talk about is that, I mean, how does F play into the art world? I feel like I have things they don't even use.
I feel like I've seen a lot of mixed grade sets that don't have an F. It just goes, you know, HB, B1, B2, B3B, you know, H on the other side, H2H, et cetera. Yeah. I'm thinking about the Palomino mixed grade set and I don't think that they
have an F. I wish they had an F. That would be a really great pencil.
Yeah. Yeah.
Blackwing. F bomb. Next volume.
The F bomb. Volume F. Ooh. I guess they never said they wouldn't do letters instead of numbers, but that would. People wouldn't know how to, like, volume F, U, Q.
Terrible.
Anything else,
it's like a big deal, but there's not a lot to say about it. It's just like, it's a cool thing that it's there.
Yeah.
Yeah. Well, I feel like that's like, a good end goal of doing this, is just to say, hey, there's these that people never talk about, so maybe go try them out and see if you like them. Because we had conversations a lot with. And I'm going back to talking to Harry Marks, like, helping people find the one that fits the best, you know, the right hardness or darkness or on the hardness and darkness scale. And this might just be something that somebody out there might say, hey, that sounds like something I might like. I think didn't. And Brad Dowdy has said, I feel like that something around an F is kind of his ideal. Something a little harder.
Yeah.
Because he writes very small, so. So, yeah, just kind of awareness. The more, you know.
So Les Herger, our resident artist, she mentions in the. In the chat that from earlier, when Johnny asked, you know, what an artist might use, she goes, we'd probably just use an H. The H in the Palomino set is the closest to an HB in regular pencils, and the 2H is the closest to an F. So. Yeah, that's because none of them are really actually H. They tend to like being Palominos. They tend to skew a little bit softer.
Yeah. Charles mentioned once that uses an F or A2 or. I'm sorry, an H or A2H in meetings for point retention.
Yeah, that's probably a good idea. I usually bring a black wing into a meeting just because, like, it's fun to show them off.
So check us out, dog.
Why do you have a paintbrush? Yeah.
Boom. How's Dick? How's your. How's your Blackwing 56 saga going, Tim?
Oh, man.
I still have not received them. No, I got my red erasers to put on them for. Inspired by Michael in the group with the rhetoric or. Well, he was the one who said to put the red eraser and then make it the Hector Rondon edition, who's a relief pitcher for the Cubs who wears number 56. So I'm dying to do it. But I ordered it on through pencils.com and I used PayPal and I thought that it would use the shipping address I put into PayPal, but for some reason pencils.com still used the one that was in my account, which is my old house. And so I got the notification like three days ago. They were forwarding, forwarding it, but. But it's still no sign. Yeah. So I actually got really excited today when I was mowing the grass and the postal worker came and he dropped stuff in the box and I saw a package and I was like, oh, it's here, it's here, it's finally here. And I walked up and it was the package from Johnny. And I was like, well, God damn
it, Johnny, that's awesome.
If it wouldn't have showed up, I
wouldn't have gotten star shaped pencils.
Yeah, I do have that. I do have my shapes.
I assume you were just standing in your yard and singing that song from the music band. Like the Wells Fargo Wagon is coming down the street.
And then the mailman was just like,
yeah, got out his pepper spray.
Why are you foaming at the mouth, Sir, Give me my black wings.
So hopefully tomorrow.
Yeah. How far do you live from where you used to live?
10, 12 minutes. It's a different zip code, so it has to go through a different post
office to ship it back to, like the central distribution center or something.
Oh, gosh, I hope not. Because that would be. Basically, if you know where Johnson City is on a map, they'd be shipping it all the way back to Knoxville and then all the way back to the. Because I was in Johnson City, but I was in a different zip code. So I was hoping they would just send it straight to here, but who knows? Yeah, they stopped updating the shipping.
When you look at it, it's just like. Just like the shrug icon.
Yeah. Who knows?
Who knows at this point.
Cool. Blackwing watch is still on. I'll let you know. In it. Yeah. And I actually only ordered one this time. Which?
Only one pencil?
One. One doesn't. One doesn't. No. But this is the only one. Well, actually, that's not true. The 1138s, I only ordered one. Or actually, no, I didn't even order one. That's right. So we split that. We split that doesn't. But the two 11s and the 725s and everything else, I've ordered extras. But this one, I just realized from the other ones that I work through them so slowly. So it's like One is fine.
I was hoping that
even though it's a baseball one.
Yeah. I was hoping that when I went to Canada, the that paper ya store would be like an outpost of Blackwing pencils and I would be able to find like some two elevens in a corner somewhere.
Oh, yeah.
Did not happen.
It's gonna be like the dream for everybody now.
Oh, yeah.
Like, what if I just walked in and there they were? I still have four dozen here, so I'm not sorry. How many did you get at a 725 only? Well, just like one dozen and then the. The six that Andy and I or the half of a dozen that Andy and I split.
So yeah, I was like head over heels over that one. And then when all the other ones came out, I'm like, yeah, okay. They're all pretty much better.
Yeah. Cool.
All right. Should we wrap things up and let people get back to their effing business?
This was a short effing episode.
It was.
Yeah.
Like, like Tim mentioned. Yeah, we don't have a lot to say or a lot to say about Fs, but just that they're there.
Yeah.
What the F else can we say?
Yeah.
Yeah. We didn't F around tonight.
We did not. So, Johnny, where the f can one find you on the Internet?
So I am@pencerevolution.com, which I am back to updating and it just turned 11 last week. Yay. I'm on Twitter pennsolution and on Instagram onnygamber. Although that is mostly pictures of very adorable children.
You should definitely check it out for the children. Tim, where the HB can people find you on the Internet?
So you started Pencil Revolution When I was a junior in high school.
Shut up, Tim.
Hey, I was young. Well, I was young then too.
I was still alive. Still are. Yeah. That was because we have our 10 year, 10 year reunion in a couple months. So hence the quick math that I was able to pull off there.
Impressive.
Yeah. Pretty proud of myself.
You must have used an F pencil to do that math.
I did, yeah. Scratched it out. Yes. You can find me on Twitter imwassum. And I'm on Instagram TimothyWassom. And I'm on Snapchat somewhere as somebody somewhere.
We need to do an erasable podcast. Snapchat.
If anybody else wants to map. Really? You should all just go look at CW Pencil. Snapchat. They're so good. They're so good at it. It's the pencil ladies on Snapchat.
Yeah.
Maybe we can contract one of them to run the Erasable. Cool. So I am Andy Welfle. I am on the Internet@woodclinched.com or you can find other stuff at Andy Coffee. I'm on Twitter at Awelfly A W E L F L E. Same thing with Snapchat, same thing with Instagram. And we collectively are by our powers combined, we are the Erasable Podcast.
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